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Post by goliath797 on Dec 2, 2007 18:14:41 GMT -5
First off, follow this link to an EXCELLANT guide on projecting (not astral, so i believe this isnt against the rules) www.astralsociety.com/as/Forum/index.php/topic,10587.0.html Second of all, Here is a quick overview copied and pasted from my other topic, on my first OBE "First, i lay down in bed, and i told my brother to stfu and lower his volume on his TV, told my dog to stfu, and got to work I started with the whole relaxing thingy, the 4/3 breathing, tense up and relax. All went well, until the point where i had to actually leave the body. Here it got a bit tricky. At first, no parts of my body did anything, but then my right hand, and only my right hand, had this feeling as if my fingers were puffing up and seperating into 10 different fingers, kinda awkward, but i thought it was some progress. Then i started going in and out of dreaming stage, and i wasnt even asleep, my mind wandered off to some of the weirdest thoughts that i cant remember at the moment, just as dreams, when i was having them i knew EXACTLY what i was thinking, but every once in a while i knocked myself back into phase by just thinking "hey you're doing something here". After some time, my mind started flashing my really weird thoughts. It showed me people i knew that started to morph into some weird creepie zombies, and then they would scream "GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE", and i was just thinking "its not real, dont panic". But then as i was thinking this my right hand was raised. Then my heart skipped a beat. My right hand is raised but i can still feel it on the bed. Then my legs slowly peeled out and my left arm did too. My limbs were out, and my lower body was attempting to move out. Only one major problem, my head and chest were pinned. I constantly tried forcing them up and out, but i couldnt. I was stuck, and i kept "shutting" My eyes until i realized my eyes werent open, these were my astral eyes or w.e you call them. Finally i gave up trying to get out, and i started to doubt these eyes were astral ones and they were just mine that i had slightly opened. The image looked so weird, it was all gray and black, it was stretched out vertically, and all the pictures werent detailed they were just pitch black. I finally forced my eyes open and it became 10x clearer again and i was wide awake in shock, i knew it hadnt been a dream, cause i wasnt the least bit tired and i remembered every detail except the ones where my mind wandered. " The end, try it and tell me your results
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Post by innerfire on Dec 2, 2007 20:11:37 GMT -5
Technically astral isn't officially against the rules yet from what I remember from reading the PAP when it was posted. However it is strongly discouraged from by a number of people on this site. And OBE's are considered a related area of psionics. Go to the archives, there's a post about many discussions we've had before on the subject.
As for the Astral Society itself, we had a long post about that, the gist: essentially their information is largely of questionable credibility due to the lack of backup, and spouting terms that really only had meaning hundreds of years ago and have since been disproven by science (important note, psionics lies in a state of neither proven nor disproven by science, big difference). Also the members on that site are less than admirable, apparently attempting highly invasive scans on visitors to the site.
If they still do stuff like that I would not advocate any of our younger members going to that site. People like DA are safe to poke around there because they can defend themselves, but the rest of us are too vulnerable to poke around. It's your decision, but I'm kinda uneasy that you go there when you don't even have a shield (from what you've mentioned in other posts).
On your experiences: 1) If you're being shouted at to get out of there, that is NOT a good sign
2) Why isn't it real? Hallucinations you can reason down as not real, but you're in the middle of a psychic activity, unless controlled substances are involved its a fairly certain bet that whatever you experience is in fact real in some form (what you see may be your minds interpretation of something it cannot recognize, but whatever your mind is interpreting is in itself, real).
3) I myself will likely never try OBE's or Astral, as I have nothing to gain from doing so, and apparently quite a lot to risk. You do what you will, but from my perspective its a very foolish thing to do.
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Post by goliath797 on Dec 2, 2007 20:15:25 GMT -5
Innerfire you just made me scared of doing OBE's because of number 1. and 2. (( OH well still gonna try, fear hasnt stopped me before
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Post by wolfdancer on Dec 3, 2007 14:43:08 GMT -5
*deep breath* Yeah, it sounds like you did encounter the astral. I don't know why you want to go back when given multiple warnings not to to there, but I guess that is your own decision). Have you looked at the threads that are linked in the OBE Related Threads thread down in the archives section of this forum. I think they will prove a lot more useful than me babbling it all again. I think I have all but this thread linked to that. ~wolfdancer
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Post by seraphy on Feb 11, 2008 5:39:29 GMT -5
I can tell you from personal experience that OBE'ing is DANGEROUS! Do yourself a favor and don't attempt it again. The possible list of things that can happen is unthinkable, try being practically hunted by something from the astral for a few months, you'll nearly lose your mind waking up wondering 'Am I going to be safe today?'. Things from the astral can SERIOUSLY screw with your fears.
If you're going to still go forward with this then I highly suggest you learn everything you can about shields and I mean everything! Me, I wasn't so fortunate to know enough about shields and a few of my friends had to help me stop whatever it was from bothering me.
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Post by confuded on Feb 11, 2008 6:11:25 GMT -5
seraphy, goliath is not around anymore....
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Post by goliath797 on Mar 26, 2008 19:22:26 GMT -5
Seraphy, why do you say it is dangerous? we supposedly do it every night in our sleep, and the only time anybody has been haunted due to this, was one person went to the lower planes of the astral, and pretty much "entered hell" and disturbed forces there by entering a "eternity gate". He never told us what it was however, because shortly after he posted the next trip he made to the astral, he would go through it, he said a quick good bye to the forums and left forever. Kinda...weird eh?
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Post by TC on Mar 26, 2008 21:27:31 GMT -5
Goliath, I know I don't enter the astral every time I fall asleep, and I'd be willing to bet that entering the astral during sleep is more uncommon than you're making it out to be. Maybe I'm wrong, I haven't been in contact with psionics for some time now, but I'm pretty sure my memory serves me correctly.
I don't want to bash your credibility, however it may be, but I do want to just tell you what I'm thinking right now very briefly. This very much makes me wonder who has actually explored the astral when they say they have. I think that a lot of the times, the stories that I hear about the astral are very outlandish, even for such an unexplored plane. I've never attempted to go there, so I'm speaking purely out of unexpert perception. But I'm just saying that it sometimes seems like people can assume they know a bit about the astral and then start making up stories because the astral is kind of an "anything goes" plane (only because all experiences of the astral are personal experiences, and all information we gain from it is based off the trust that we are getting it from a credible source). I hope this makes sense to you. In short, I'm trying to say that some things that I've heard you and others in the past saying seem too "off a whim" to be anything that you can back up. However, I'll grant you that there's not much in the astral that you can prove, and I'm definitely not asking you to attempt to prove anything. That's against the rules and I don't want to ask that of anyone.
Again, I hope that made sense. I have been away from all this for so long, and I'm not sure how much longer I'm staying that way. I try to log on every once in awhile to post something, so that you all know that I'm still interested.
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Post by goliath797 on Mar 27, 2008 16:38:53 GMT -5
I was ALMOST positive that dreaming was messing around on the astral plane like 99%, but i may be wrong. People consider lucid dreaming and astral projecting 2 different things, whilst dreaming (if done on the astral) is the same thing as APing, i guess it should be called the same thing, except the exit was different. Just a quick question, do you even know what the astral plane is?
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Post by TC on Mar 27, 2008 22:27:10 GMT -5
Goliath, I believe that lucid dreaming refers to the ability to consciously control your own dream, which still doesn't mean that it has anything to do with the astral.
The astral is something I've never studied, and something I don't plan on studying. However, I am stating and did state that whatever I say about the astral is based purely on what I've heard from other posts and from other people.
How is dreaming like a ping? I don't follow this, sorry if I'm missing something.
You asked before why you think that the astral is dangerous. I know you've heard it a thousand times before, but you really should go check out the other threads on OBE's and the Astral Plane. It's very informative.
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Post by The Devil's Advocate on Mar 27, 2008 22:45:14 GMT -5
Who was that question directed at Goliath?
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Post by goliath797 on Mar 29, 2008 10:31:38 GMT -5
See, the only way the astral is dangerous
1. You summon monsters with your thoughts (which you can control) and you somehow die from them...which isnt possible
2. A demon likes you and decides to kill you (both in real and in the astral), which the chances are astronomically small.
and its not the same as a ping, i meant APing as in astral projecting, shorthand lol
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Post by psionicstorm on Mar 29, 2008 21:11:20 GMT -5
Think about it goliath.. what happens when you dream? your body/subconscious goes through all the old thoughts and picks out whatever it wants in a deep sleep. what happens when you astrally project? I guess the general theory that actually makes sense is that you are putting a piece of your mind on a different plane, which, if it is an "anything goes" plane, probably has most of the creatures ever imagined by people. And not everything that people imagine is a genie or unicorn.
So lets say that you "pull out" of the astral plane when you "die" there, or something bad happens. How do you know that that piece of you wasn't left behind? And if it wasnt left behind, whatever hurt you there can <i> probably </i> still hurt you psionically. In general, its not that safe. Learn as much as you can, leave APing until you get more experienced.
Sorry if i assume too much, but i do believe that i'm going off of popular assumptions and ideas about the astral plane.
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Post by The Devil's Advocate on Mar 30, 2008 0:10:44 GMT -5
I don't think you assume too much at all.
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Post by goliath797 on Apr 5, 2008 8:42:10 GMT -5
Think about it goliath.. what happens when you dream? your body/subconscious goes through all the old thoughts and picks out whatever it wants in a deep sleep. what happens when you astrally project? I guess the general theory that actually makes sense is that you are putting a piece of your mind on a different plane, which, if it is an "anything goes" plane, probably has most of the creatures ever imagined by people. And not everything that people imagine is a genie or unicorn. So lets say that you "pull out" of the astral plane when you "die" there, or something bad happens. How do you know that that piece of you wasn't left behind? And if it wasnt left behind, whatever hurt you there can <i> probably </i> still hurt you psionically. In general, its not that safe. Learn as much as you can, leave APing until you get more experienced. Sorry if i assume too much, but i do believe that i'm going off of popular assumptions and ideas about the astral plane. ~Psionicstorm I think its funny how everyone here is so scared to astral project and their like shitting their pants over it. The only parts that even get close to scaring me is the exit of the body. Sleeping...is projecting because of the following. You say that when we sleep it is random parts of our sub-conscious comes out and we just kinda linger around in it. But what is the sub-conscious? The sub-conscious is here and now, it's what links our actions together. When you stand up, you dont think of all the actions that is required to do so, you just do it. When you hit a hockey puck, throw a ball, it starts to get sub-conscious. It's the chain of actions that happens only then. You can't pull out old memories out of the sub-conscious considering time doesnt effect the sub-conscious. The conscious mind is the one that deals with that. The sub-conscious is here and now, almost as what we define as "instinct". Yes, it is true that the sub-conscious is stronger when you sleep-project (aka lucid dreaming) and your conscious is stronger when you manually project (aka astral projection), but other then that theres physically no difference.
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