Post by leodragon on Jun 6, 2008 23:14:30 GMT -5
You are playing with fire. The more experienced people I talk to the more they say "DON'T" even the ones who don't think it is as bad as what I've experienced. It is not a place for beginners.
The lady mentioned 2 paragraphs back, called that specific energy type "Necromancer territory." (We spent a good portion of the 6 hours on topic hashing out terminology differences.) It is an exceptionally dangerous area, and was immediately identified as the 'astral' to everyone I either showed it specifically to, or asked to define what my shield was specifically against. (Even when in some cases the response was: why do you have a shield against the astral?) Which indicates that it's a relatively consistent reference point across the board, and I have manifestly been attacked out of it. I say again: It came to me before I ever even knew there was something to go to.
I'm not coming at this from left field, Leodragon, and you're going to have to do more than say "well it's safe for me and I do it all the time!" Just because you've managed to swim with jelly fish and not get stung, doesn't mean it's the smart thing to do. Not everyone dies in a game of Russian Roulette, but do you really want to take that chance? Especially when talking to someone who's caught the bullet, even though they weren't playing?
~The Devil's Advocate
I don't feel like typing whole lot, but in the other topic I explained as to why the things attacked in the first place.
That is because I didn't feel like going into it because it would spawn something else entirely. In short version, not everything is nice and not everything bad. You have various entities, which are individuals, that like to do various things. I pointed out that psi and the astral are tied to the mind and therefore having an aptitude for one opens you to the other. By being empathic, DA was naturally open more so than your average person. Being that age, training was probably minimal and she probably registered high on the scale without defense. That would be an easy target or an easy meal for some things. Then you have things that are sadistic, simply. You can call them incopreal sociopaths that mess around with people to see their reaction out intrigue, amusement, and they don't care how damaging it could be to the person.
However, it should be noted that from what DA said, that these things came after her before she knew of such things and I would take it that it meant before she ever astral projected, if she ever has. This means that they can reach you in astral or not. In most cases they use the input function of sensory mechanisms against you. Close down the input and you close down the opening and they can make faces at you all day long, you won't even know of their existence, LOL. What makes this different when it comes to the astral plane is that you exist there as a point of consiousness in relation to other point's of consiousness. Therefore, it is not as simple as closing down the input function. A person not used to that environment would be at a major disadvantage if something did indeed choose to attack them.
Anyways, it depends on what you are doing and where you are at. If you are in the buffer zone in between the physical plane and astral, there is no danger. If you are in the lower part of the astral, the place is pretty much made up of the mental emanations of people. Thoughts, emotions, etc. that take shape. The deeper you go, the more dangerous it gets and depending on what you are doing the more dangerous it gets.
I get the impression that you are speaking to me as if my experience is minimum because I don't share your view. Don't make that mistake. I deal with the astral on an everyday level. I actually have the ability to bi locate astrally. That means that my physical body and my astral self are awake and aware at the same time. There are two ways of doing this. One is to kind of share or split your awareness with the other "self" that projects outward while maintaining a link, so what one perceives the other perceives. This is VERY confusing. It is like being split in two places at once. The other is so create a copy of your consiousness while still being awake, which goes off and does its own thing. I also have the ability to make my astral self dense or corporeal enough to cause physical interaction (same dynamics of psychokinesis applied globally to the astral body since the astral body is only a manifestation of consiousness and PK is affecting matter with consiousness) on the zone between the physical and the astral ( alot of people call that the lower astral or the real-time zone). If I ever did encounter anything nasty, I can take care of it. I know how that realm works. I am far from a "shiney eyed noob".
I am aware of the nasty things. I am not allowed to speak about it, but I am actually part of a group that actually deals with things like that. I don't get attacked and I stay out of the fighting. If you keep your nose clean and don't do anything stupid, like play "psionic vigilante", you will be fine.
People who OBE are usually so happy to get out of their bodies and typically don't possess the knowledge on how to reach sigincant parts of the astral. Thinking I want to be here will result in you being in a mental representation of where it is that you want to go and not the actual thing, since the realm is highly responsive to thought.
I am sorry, but you are going off of scans and here say instead of actually experience, versus me who goes there EVERY day and EVERY night. In fact, a friend of mine has a place in the astral aimed at teaching people the dynamics of the astral. He has an astral projection class that he teaches and its for his students. I teach classes as well. I hope you are not implying that I lack experience, because I don't share your view.
Necromancy in its pure form is nasty. It is the act of using corpses for divination. In medevil times they would kidnap and murder people. It also revolves around the enslavement of spirits to do your bidding, which does not take place on the astral realm. You have the theosophical realms of the mind or the mental body and you have the etheral realms which correspond with the the ethereal, spiritual body of a human.
You have certain parts of the ethereal which which is composed of alot of "unpleasant" things. If you draw their attention they can do a type of projection and project onto the lower plane, which is the astral, and then attack you there. If you abort the projection and they can sustain themselves, they can project downward again and inhabit the common mental space of the mind, and therefore, attack you.
A lot of people make the mistake of equating the etheral as the astral and the mental body/mind as the spirit. They are not the same. That is why a medium and a psion are different (I was engaged to a medium for some years and have experience in the differences between the dynamics of our gifts). Psionic stuff works through the domain of the mind, the consiousness, and therefore is limitied to that realm, which is why your scans yield limitied information on that area.
Delving into the ethereal realm from the astral is just asking for trouble. That is where you get the nasty things. In order to manifest, ethereal entities have to manifest through the domain of the mind and then down, which is why they can have astral manifestations. I explained in a different thread about the dynamics of making resonations which serve as bridges via associations. Ethereal entities use the realm of the mind as a gateway. Purely astral entities have no physical or etheral counterpart and are simply made of thought, which is responsive to your own thoughts. It is possible to create a being on the astral, but it would be a manifestation of your own psyche devoid of a real spirit.
Personally, my opinion of you is a psionic vigilante meddling in things you ought not be, and therefore, is suffering the consequences of her actions. Who knows, maybe the entities who attacked you as a child knew you would be a threat to them in the future (pre cog is boosted on the astral). Typical astral projector's will not encounter many danger's. Most times they will pop out in the buffer zone or in a mental representation of their own creation (their own personal space in the astral).
Crass people call the etheral realm the higher astral realm, which is a misnomer, and it has its own rules. From your information, your scans come through the same input function as your empathy, and therefore in itself, is limited to that. I am sure that you are unable to sense the other theosophical manifestations that people possess, and no, they are not different variations of the same thing. I gleamed that when I compared notes with other's and started to discern it myself.
And forcing an OBE is easy when the person is already half out or in an altered state of consiousness. You pretty much pull them completely from the in between state of that between bufffer zone into the astral. It is easiest to do when the person is sleep, since resistance is lowered.
If I was EVER attacked (I have had things come at me before), I have enough experience and power to easily counter it. If it is too much for me, I have protection (I am not allowed to say more). A technique that I learned long ago is how to link to the mental archetype lieing on the astral. Concepts, thoughts, and emotions are real on the astral, and therefore, exist as astral archetypes or templates. One can link to that template and then draw energy from that pool of energy to power oneself, not to mention, one can draw energy from one's physical body and then convert it. Not to mention, that since the astral is shaped by self perception, one can take that energy and turn oneself into a bigger thing versus staying in the shape of one's physical body. Not to mention, that one can simply abort the projection, which typically happens anyway.
Your shields are not blocking against a specif type of energy, but rather a specific type of archetype that gives the energy its properties. Just as we have a multiple manifestations of existence and can project outward, so can they. Their sense of self perception molds the energy, and therefore, gives it its properties. This is what your shield is blocking. "Astral" energy is not the same across the board, and since it is shaped by the mind and consiousness, can not be blocked across the board. What is probably happening is that these things have a similar signature, therefore, they are getting rejected.
I am not saying that it is a happy fluffy place, but it is not a hellish zone, either. Astral projection is one of my natural gifts. I used to astral project on accident without meaning to as a child. I can easily project with just a type of mental eject command. I work with it on a daily and nightly basis, and I am one of those people who astral projects in their sleep (unconsciously and consciously). One can also hook into vast sources of information. It is just floating there. It is like one big internet.
