A visible sheild and Energy scource

[az343]

Just a question have any of you fine folk made a visible sheild before or dose anyone think it is possible personally i havent really thought untill now scince all of my sheilds are not visible and are mainlly up.
Allllllllso i would like to know where you draw your shelid energy form because when a make a shield i make it out of the planets conciousness and in a way i ask the planet/ nature to protect me bla bla bla plus the energy is maintained by the planet plus it can be strengthend easilly furthermore do you think the sheild atcully fuses with the aura (electromagnetic energy sourounding the body/ energy signiture) or dose it remain on the outside personally i am not sure because i can use aura vision and be in a trance with my eyes closed at the same time lolz

[The Devil's Advocate]

1) Psi is categorically not electromagnetic radiation. There have been enough studies done testing just that theory, to say that it is not any form of electromagnetic radiation. Please reference the Journal of Parapsychology and the Faraday Cage experiments. I believe the Rhine institute has some references to those experiments actually on their webpage but I am not 100% certain.

2) I have never flared a shield. I have never attempted to flare a shield. I have never seen the point of flaring a shield. It is theoretically possible.

3) Do you actually draw energy from the earth itself, or is that simply the visualization that you use to gather sufficient psi to do what you need? Note this is not completely flippant. I’m relatively familiar with where I draw psi from, and it is not directly from the earth. The earth does not directly produce that kind of energy. Geothermal energy is pretty darn useless for psionics. Also the Earth is not in and of itself sentient. I don’t think it takes requests, or most of the destructive natural disasters would never occur. I am rather sensitive to various manifestations of psionic energy, and the earth itself has never registered as a source of psi.

4) What most people call ‘Aura vision’ we call ‘Scanning.’ That is using psionic senses to examine psionic energy and constructs. It shows signatures clearly. Incase you are unfamiliar with the term (I’m guessing you are just based on the terminology you are currently using.) a signature is like a psionic fingerprint. It differentiates one individual from another and ‘flavors’ everything a psion does unless they deliberately take steps to remove it.

5) Please, I know I’ve said it before, but the mass run-on sentences, typos, and lack and misuse of punctuation are driving me just a little bonkers. It doesn’t take that long to spell properly or run a spell check program. It doesn’t take that long to use proper punctuation. These things make it much easier for us to understand what you are trying to convey. If you use them regularly, it tends to save a great deal of head scratching and questions as to what you meant to say and where than paragraph long sentence was actually supposed to be divided up.

~The Devil's Advocate

[az343]

bloddy helly its spelling yes i will try to spell a little better however i shall not change my grammer and yes i am aware what i signiture is lol but thanks for the info and about the drawing earth energy thing i ment through visulisation lol but you see about the planet never registering as psi ,take the quantum physics theory of zero point energy scientests say there is that much of it it must be minused from calulations so perhaps the earth wich helps replenish our energy systems is eiter so large that if say we were scanning for a particullar person we would be blinded (not litterally lol) by the massive amount of energy.anyways i soupouse i could bring the inverse square law in to the equasion and discuss why the energy of much bigger steller bodies dose not engulf the earth like a gravitational feild dose but thats another story lol. So i soupouse that i would rather stick whith the fact that the earth would not register as a source of psi because it had been replenishing us scince humans landed on this planet so i think it would not show up because we are linked to the planet infact i think ill spot lol i could go on forever lol. Oh and by the way i draw enegy form the cosmic enegy that resides in the planet

[The Devil's Advocate]

Use proper grammar, period.

If you're going to convince me you can actually pretend to comprehend quantum physics. USE PUCTUATION. If you’re smart enough to understand advanced physics, you’re smart enough to use a period and to capitalize.

Let me explain a few very basic scientific principles to you since you obviously have skipped your basic science courses. The Earth has several kinds of energy. Would you care for me to elaborate on them? First there is the massive amount of heat energy generated by the pressure of the weight of the physical elements of the earth towards the core. If you go down to even 1 mile in depth there is a drastic, heat increase. (Google "Deepest Mine in the World" for a few details. It is a gold mine in southern Africa.) Then you have the nuclear-like energy of the center of the earth itself. The pressure on the core creates a radioactive energy that Geologist are pretty sure (not as certain Newton's Laws but they're getting there) drive the convection currents in the Mantle. The mantle itself has kinetic energy because the rock, while not completely molten does flow. This moves the lithosphere (that is the crust and the upper, more rigid part of the mantle). The Lithosphere is divided into tectonic plates. The motion of these plates has frictional energy, it also has kinetic energy. (The Pacific plate is moving at an average of about 3cm/year. It is over 28 MILLION square miles of rock. That requires a great deal of energy to move.) None of these energies are useful to a psion, neither are the tidal energies, neither are the gravitational interactions on the surface of the earth, neither are the gravitational reactions between objects in space, neither is the energy released by chemical reactions on the earth’s surface. The biological production of ATP, the chemical who’s construction and breakdown actually provide the individual cells with their energy, has a sidewise affect on psionics: If your body doesn’t have enough energy to function you can’t do psi. It is not, directly, psi. I’m more likely to believe you produce copious amounts of ATP to power Psi than I am to believe you get your energy from random parts of the cosmos. We can detect psi. We call it ‘scanning’, so unless you’re trying to say that the Earth is deliberately concealing it’s psionic signature and psionic energy, you’re quite daft. Also if the Earth has a much greater supply of psionic energy than a given human, our tiny psi effects would be completely drowned out by the Earth’s psi.

Now before you bring up so-called ‘Dark Matter’ and ‘Dark Energy’. Let me make a few points: Dark Matter is the scientific nom de guerre for ‘That matter that our math says should probably be there if we haven’t screwed something else up somewhere in this stack of theories, papers, and math.’ It is a working hypothesis; ‘Dark Energy’ is no better. This ‘missing’ energy may have an impact on psi. But saying “That’s what I’m drawing on!” is rather like pointing at a 1600’s map and saying “I went to the end of the world where it says ‘here there be monsters! See?’” And then not being able to describe a single thing you’d seen consistently... What you’re saying doesn’t match.

As for the inverse square law, if the psionic point source of the Earth had diminished sufficiently by its surface for us not to be able to psionically detect it as a source of psi, then we would not be able to TAP it as a source of psi, as it is easier to detect minuscule amounts of psionics than it is to USE them. Yes, I am speaking from experience. The dispersal rate that would imply, indicates the earth would not be a very STRONG source of psi, since an individual human can be detected at a great distance (London to Sydney for example, or New York to Beijing.)

Please leave the new age unsubstantiated rot at the door. Unless you can back up your proposition with logic, science, or well considered philosophical reasoning, you might as well go claim the world is flat.

~The Devil’s Advocate

PS do not make me get out a full broadside.

[az343]

Wow you sure do like to do your reserch, or use the copy and paste buton. By the way, about the geology lesson i awlready know what you stated and i hope that was not an attempt to mock me in any way i do understand basic science and am predicted A* in every thing plaus i am taking 3As levels in year 10 so please just because i am alot younger than you dose not mean that i should be treated differentlly(In the pervious sentance i did ot mean to sound bid hedded so do not take it that way ). And i must apologise for my derogoterry lack of judgment regarding this site. Initially i thought that this was an un formal environment. However scince you have stated about 10 times about my spleeing etc and my attitude towards this online astablishment i shall try to act more appropriatlly. Oh an this is not some type of begging appology i just had made a mistake wich we all do.
Oh and i get the feeling in with the way you posted the previos information that you mean it in a sly way or something or other so just to clear the air i do not believe my self to be a know it all and i am open to learning new ideas ok.

[wolfdancer]

*sigh*

Of course she has done her research on the subject. That's one of the things we do (and often consider just a fun passtime). She has a strong background in geology and could probably have given you that entire lecture off the top of her head if you met her on the street.

You have not shown us that you truly mean any of what you've said. If anything you are becoming more difficult to understand. I'm sorry, but I feel I must be blunt on this point.

[The Devil's Advocate]

I did not have to look up anything I discussed in that post. All the listed theories I've dealt with professionally or am dealing with either academically or professionally in one for or another. Propagation of radiowaves and their dissipation over distance is directly related to the inverse square function. Minor variants allow for the different kinds of antennas and the different manners in which they transmit. The Omnidirectional antenna makes the most direct use of that theory. I just haven’t had to use the numerical side of things recently. The geology is my current major/profession.

I don't think you're stupider than any of us because you are younger. I respond to people in accordance to how they ACT. Based on your age I expected MORE out of you than misusing what you profess to be your native language and improperly bandying about scientific theories you claim to understand. You have displayed none of the ability you claim to have. I explained about the energy forms available on Earth because you DISPLAYED an ignorance of the topic. If you care to take it as mockery, that's your issue not mine. Please read my custom title and look up the term 'Devil's Advocate.' I have a feeling you will be seeing a lot more of this side of me if this trend of yours continues. Welcome to the world of adults, kid. Just because you’re a bright highschooler doesn’t mean you know all there is to know, or even a tiny fraction of all there is to know. Remember that and you’ll get along much better.

Back to the topic at hand: Could you kindly answer MY question? Why would you want to flare a shield, which is inherently a defensive construct? What functional purpose would it serve?

~The Devil’s Advocate

[az343]

Hello again back to the point. I was wondering about the flareing senario because if there is an amount of scepticism within the majority of the population about psi and all energy manipulating methods. If one were able to create a visible shield for instance then perhaps it would help science except the psi phenomenon. However i soupouse that it might create massive religious, cultural problems etc however mainlly i was just our of personal intrest if a visible sheild would be usefull in any way

[innerfire]

az343 said:

Hello again back to the point. I was wondering about the flareing senario because if there is an amount of scepticism within the majority of the population about psi and all energy manipulating methods. If one were able to create a visible shield for instance then perhaps it would help science except the psi phenomenon. However i soupouse that it might create massive religious, cultural problems etc however mainlly i was just our of personal intrest if a visible sheild would be usefull in any way

A visible *psiball* takes a ton of energy and a significant amount of skill/experience with energy manipulation, and the effect is so small in a lot of cases that you have to be in a fairly dark room to notice. A shield is theoretically possible, but consider a couple things:

A) Remember the high energy part? If you could pool enough energy to even get an effect in the first place, I doubt it would last more than a second

B) Most of the guides I've seen for a flaring a psiball involve a great deal of focus and visualization to pull off, a psiball is easier since you're directing your focus to one thing probably in front of you, applying the same thing to a shield would require you to direct the same high amount of focus... in 360 degrees simultaneously, where as the focus for the first one might be compared to like solving a really complex science or math problem, flaring a shield would be like solving the same problem, except your chair is attached to a giant centrifuge, spinning you round and round at 60 miles per hour, and your pants are on fire.

C) The very limited amount of time such an action could be sustained makes it very unlikely that it could convince anyone

So... yea, its not a question of whether you can do it, it's a question of how much you hate yourself to want to try

Btw I mirror the points on unsupported New Age - (note the unsupported, I'm actually friends with someone who appears to be into New Age so its not a problem in itself) and grammar. It burns my eyes.

[ryakoth]

hahaha b was one of the funniest things of the day i exhault you for it, and as for flaring shield, ya ouch headache and uselessness, like that one time i tried to do a total psionic energy dump and i ended up on my bed incapable of controlled movement with a massive migrane the way too sensitive hearing and occasional spasms, its a dumb idea to go about trying to use large amount of energy just for novelty

[The Devil's Advocate]

Given that any second rate stage magician could pull off the same trick? I seriously doubt that would convince anyone anymore than levitating a tennis ball would. It's actually been suggested before, and rejected for much the same reasons. It's too easy to set up a display WITHOUT psionics, it takes a huge amount of energy and/or focus to push psi into a visible spectrum, and frankly I'm not sure I want to advertise to anyone who already DOES believe in the audience exactly where my shields are nor that they can expect me to take such risks.

~The Devil's Advocate

[Lancefighter]

As to assist the OP, and answer the DA's question...
From what I understand a flare would greatly increase the shields energy... can we all agree on that?
Ok, now- more energy = better protection, can we also agree on that?
So, therefore, we have more protection with that... I’ve not tried, and frankly... can't, but given this situation (totally in theory...) if someone were to attack you, psionically, a flared shield would
(A) Increase protection
And perhaps
(B) Allow you to demonstrate a proficiency with psionic energy, and consequently (if you are lucky... ) scare off the attacker, without resorting to an attack yourself. ... If you can sustain the flare yourself, for any length of time.
*checks spelling/ grammar with ms word as to not incur the DA's wrath*
-Lancefighter

[The Devil's Advocate]

I cannot, personally, agree to point 1 that a flare INCREASES the shields energy. A flare REQUIRES energy to already be present then to be converted into whatever we percieve as light (whether it's actually converted to visual spectrum or something else is a debate for another forum.) It requries enough energy that most individuals whom I have heard attempt this, cannot sustain them for protracted periods of time. This indicates, to me, energy EXPENDITURE not production, therefore, it would be more logical to assume that flaring a shield would be taking energy away from the protective qualities of the shield in order to make it visible. Again assuming the individual flaring the shield was keeping a constant net energy in the shield. To maintain the shield strength as constant, the individual maintaining the shield would have to supply all the energy for the flare as /extra/ themselves, so the shield itself will not benifit from the flare.

~The Devil's Advocate

[Lancefighter]

You say yourself, that
‘To maintain the shield strength as constant, the individual maintaining the shield would have to supply all the energy for the flare as /extra/ themselves,'
but, you are adding energy, are you not? You have a shield, and someone adding energy to that... there WILL be more energy in the shield, aye? No matter what you are doing with it, there is going to be more.
Though i have not personally done anything with flares, i would like to test how a flared construct reacts to other constructs near it. Perhaps that will shed more light into this debate.
-Lancefighter

[The Devil's Advocate]

You are not adding energy to the function of the shield. The energy added is being EXPENDED by the flare. The flare REQUIRES energy or it doesn't happen at all. It ADDS nothing because it is consuming the energy. Non psionic analogy: You have bandwidth for a site. For the sake of math call your band with 1MB. Your site requires half of that to run at top speed. You add another process. This process require 750KB. Your site runs slower. To maintain top speed you need more bandwidth. Adding bandwidth only allows you to maintain, it does not allow you to exceed what your site's maximum speed is.

In our annalogy the bandwidth is the energy (and this is ONLY an analogy). The speed is the efficiency/effectiveness of your shields, and the secondary process is flaring. As it eats up 'Bandwidth' of your energy your site does NOT get any more efficient, even if you ADD more energy beyond what both processes require. The flare does not add energy TO the shield it has it's own energy requirments that can detract FROM the shield, but it in and of itself does not. You would be much better off simply tweaking your shield and giving it more energy directly rather than trying to give it more energy and fuel something ELSE that is a glutton for energy at the same time.

Note: We are getting close to being off topic. If we get too much farther away from the core discussion I'll be switching it over to the D&D section.

~The Devil's Advocate