The Devil's Advocate
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Respected Member I will deflate your theories and claims with ye olde pointy stick of logic.
Est autem fides credere quod nondum vides; cuius fidei merces est videre quod credis.
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Post by The Devil's Advocate on Aug 16, 2007 7:49:40 GMT -5
Given that the strongest psions I know and know of are as often female (in some cases more often.) than male, that doesn't hold water. I am female, my roommate is female, Wolf is female, all very strong psions. Cullen is male, strong psion. Rainsong is female VERY VERY strong psion. Annie is female. VERY VERY strong psion. Most of the time when I scan I can pick up who is and is not a natural or practicing psion. The gender spread has been pretty darn even.
What you're describing is much more normal psychology for your age group, especially if your body language was saying 'get away from me'. You need to start putting a few more controls on your experiments so you don't wind up with false correlations.
~The Devil's Advocate
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Post by kendoshin on Aug 21, 2007 18:38:47 GMT -5
Oh, I forgot to mention that I meant natural psions, who didn't even know anything about psionics at all. Trained psionics, even though a newbie like me, doesn't count; since most of us already developed a sense to psi when we conciously start using them. Heh, about the body language, I'm a good actor since I'm wearing my baby suit. Even my parents can hardly tell when I'm lying, especially since I started on psionics. To make things more clear, I usually pretend to fall asleep when I'm on the bus, but kept an eye open when I felt someone sat beside me; so it can't be body language, the possibility, if any, is almost nil.
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Post by wolfdancer on Aug 21, 2007 18:53:11 GMT -5
A large number of those DA mentioned are naturals. I happen to have a good sense of who she is talking about and know (I believe) a majority of them----outside of the random strangers.
Also, if you look at the structure of your sentences they are a little vague. Please clarify before I get more off base not understanding what you were trying to convey through paragraph 1. Thank you.
As for the acting...you'd be surprised. You are relatively young and though I'm not all that old, I've learned a lot about seeming acting abilities and what people do and do not know since highschool. I'll leave it at that for now since I have a meeting to get to.
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The Devil's Advocate
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Respected Member I will deflate your theories and claims with ye olde pointy stick of logic.
Est autem fides credere quod nondum vides; cuius fidei merces est videre quod credis.
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Post by The Devil's Advocate on Aug 21, 2007 22:52:02 GMT -5
I spent 17 years as an active Empath with zero training... and completely in denial. I have heard, and used every single excuse you can imagine for my Empathy. There ARE ways to tell if a psion is practicing or 'natural'. Natural shields tend to be chaotic and disorganized, and very, very, very specialized. Organized constructs tend to be the sign of trained psions. There is a different 'feel' (for lack of a better word) to people who have practice, a depth of power, just like a trained singer has a richness of voice that even a talented novice tends not it.
Please do NOT make that kind of generalities without being ready to defend them with much more solid logic than you've shown. Also... you have not in any way shape or form refuted that body language and psychology might have as much (if not more) to do with who sat next to you than any kind of predisposition towards sensing psi. Unless you are a VERY strong empath or telepath, I doubt you projected strongly enough to warn people off through a construct.
~The Devil's Advocate
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Post by innerfire on Aug 22, 2007 1:35:58 GMT -5
I'd just like to interject that beyond the people DA mentioned I've found that almost all strong empaths/telepaths I've encountered (naturals or practicing) are female: If nothing else this would indicate the opposite. While empathy/telepathy don't compose all the aspects of sensitivity, it would suggest that females sense psi better.
For the list I'd also like to add Intrepid and Jael, both very powerful and skilled psions, both women.
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Post by kendoshin on Aug 22, 2007 18:53:52 GMT -5
Maybe it was just a matter of the place where we stay, or my good looks ;D. As I've said, the statement was entirely hypothetical (I did mention that it was only a belief of mine ); and I require improvements on my method of verification. I do notice some of the WELL-KNOWN psions (over the Net) are female, but I was generally referring to the community at large. If I was a stronger psion, I'd create a similar psiball and place it in a park; and see if there are even animals that could live in there. Anyway, I'd withdraw my statement for now, until I've learned enough scanning to do detailed verifications.
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The Devil's Advocate
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Respected Member I will deflate your theories and claims with ye olde pointy stick of logic.
Est autem fides credere quod nondum vides; cuius fidei merces est videre quod credis.
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Post by The Devil's Advocate on Aug 22, 2007 19:03:16 GMT -5
*grins* just keep in mind. Well known psions have to come from somewhere. They don't grow on trees. might be something to add to the 'daily Psi journal' I keep meaning to keep. (And keep 'forgetting' about because I really don't want anyone FINDING it...) ~The Devil's Advocate
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Post by kendoshin on Aug 23, 2007 0:06:32 GMT -5
Huh? You lost me there, DA . Anyway, I'd like to know if plants respond to psi? I never actually tried; I don't want to mess with my Mom's potted plants and vegetables. I know this might sound crazy, since plants don't even have nervous systems; but have anyone tried it before? Who knows, maybe they've been keeping contact with beings from outer space, right under our very noses .
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The Devil's Advocate
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Respected Member I will deflate your theories and claims with ye olde pointy stick of logic.
Est autem fides credere quod nondum vides; cuius fidei merces est videre quod credis.
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Post by The Devil's Advocate on Aug 23, 2007 7:53:44 GMT -5
Basically saying every strong 'well known' psion had to start somewhere, including me, though I'm not that well known. Most of the 'well known' psions (that I know of and not all) started because they had something they could do naturally that they were struggling to understand.
It's theoretically possible. Healing/Bio PK isn't exclusively focused on the nervous system and does affect living tissue. There is no indication that Psi is generated from the nervous system. They certain contain psi better than most rocks do, so it's likely that they would respond. It is not an experiment I've ever tried.
~The Devil's Advocate
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Post by jaci on Aug 23, 2007 8:53:11 GMT -5
I did play around with trying to keep cut flowers in a vase alive for a bit longer (although this was quite some time ago that I did it). I did get some results that appeared to show some effect. Its a pretty easy experiment to set up if you felt like trying it. Get some leaves/flowers (a number of pieces) off the same plant and put half in one glass of water and half in the other then sit them somewhere close to each other. One you try to affect the other's the control.
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Post by innerfire on Aug 23, 2007 9:34:34 GMT -5
Huh? You lost me there, DA . Anyway, I'd like to know if plants respond to psi? I never actually tried; I don't want to mess with my Mom's potted plants and vegetables. I know this might sound crazy, since plants don't even have nervous systems; but have anyone tried it before? Who knows, maybe they've been keeping contact with beings from outer space, right under our very noses . I've heard that plants even produce small amounts of psi when I was asking some general questions about psi at Psionic Social Club, so they probably do at least respond to it.
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Post by wolfdancer on Aug 23, 2007 14:12:25 GMT -5
As for the psi-journal, it is a good idea. I kept one for a while about 3 years ago. While I was visiting relatives out of state and wanted to be able to track observations and share them with a friend who was at a summer engineering program in the opposite direction from home than I was. You write down observations like the number of psions you observed and where, gender, age, etc. You write down your experiments and their results. You write down how you were feeling, what you were thinking, hey even what the weather or classes were doing that day. It is very useful, but I totally understand not wanting anyone to get ahold of it. Mine was on my laptop under an indescript name and password protected, though I know that isn't totally hack proof..
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Post by nuclearwinter on Jul 5, 2008 13:41:19 GMT -5
I am...
*drumbeats*
not psionically inclined/sensitive. whatever it's called.
/start rant
yeah, i just came back here after a long time to post my progress, rather, the lack of progress. i've been to other sites and read everything. day in day out i try to 'summon' or 'harness' this energy and attempted everything from grounding, shielding, to even the almost impossible tk. i dont know whats so easy about psiballs. i've never gotten it -- even after countless attempts. in every site i go to, people always say 'i made a psiball. blah blah blah'. then they're just stuck there. i've been delusional lately regarding psionics and i'm actually led to believe that all those 'magnetic feeling and heat', which is the most reported case when citing they made a psiball is actually just body heat and some trick being played by the mind.
it's really hard to take this conclusion after subjecting to myself with all that seemingly wasted time. i'm increasingly led to believe that everyone else either got tricked into thinking they're psiballs or just lied for kicks. i'm sure for most of them, it's the former. though i really do hope it's not. but still, i refuse to believe so yet it's like, don't lie to yourself. it's fake. kinda like how to cheer for the underdog when in fact i can't get it off my head to be at heart, cheering for the favorite.
i actually wanted to make a new thread but thankfully saw this instead. so there are those that can't do it huh? seems like i'm one of them. it felt kinda liberating yet annoying and frustrating because why does it have to be ME?!!! i mean... it's like me in a family with 12 siblings and my parents giving everyone else an ipod except for me! or its like being weirdo kid in class that everyone laughs at because he's dopey and can't act normally. it hurts... it really does...
ugh. if anyone knows something to awaken this psi thing or something along those lines. please, just please! message me or tell me something or just link me or whatever. i haven't gone this far to come back to nothing. so please, if anyone has a workaround this, i ask you a simple favor. help me in any form, just not something ridiculous. i'll appreciate it.
/end rant
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The Devil's Advocate
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Respected Member I will deflate your theories and claims with ye olde pointy stick of logic.
Est autem fides credere quod nondum vides; cuius fidei merces est videre quod credis.
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Post by The Devil's Advocate on Jul 5, 2008 22:44:38 GMT -5
I think this line sums up the majority of your problem: but still, i refuse to believe
Psionics is more dramatically affected by our own mental processes than practically anything else we can do. I spent seventeen years with much more dramatic psionic effects than psiballs and managed to find other things it 'could have been'. Where I am now, if psionics is fake I'm certifiably insane. Yes, this is a possibility I have seriously considered and still seriously consider. It is every bit as easy to talk yourself OUT of believing you succeeded at Psionics as it is to talk yourself into it, it's easier if you have a semi-logical brain, since psionics appears to defy logic. Yet, individuals report similar findings independent of one another and articles. This is one clue that says it is more than just people tricking themselves into believing something. Unfortunately there are enough people who DO fool themselves for and against to muddy the issue.
One thing you seem to have missed. Heat, magnetic feeling, etc... these are only the most common sensations, they are not the only one. When I actually 'feel' psi it's a tactile feeling of resistance, nothing more, and that has gotten less common. When I scan it truly is another sense, one we have no words for so compare to the senses with which we are more familiar. I have a friend who gets colors and visual textures when she scan because that is what things more readily compare to for her.
You are NOT the only one with these doubts. We've lost members over time because they became convinced they were just fooling themselves... The absolute hardest part of psionics is not second guessing yourself. For all you know you may have made a hundred psiballs, but you didn't get the exact input you were expecting so you doubted... which meant you second guessed yourself more the next time, which made it even harder to notice any input you WERE getting.
What I would recommend, is this: First decide if you can accept the POSSIBILITY of psionics. And I do mean accept it, approach it with an actual open mind.
Second, attempt to make a psiball. Don't worry about whether you're getting the right tingliness or whatever.
Third, have someone check it. You can usually arrange scanning times via PM.
~The Devil's Advocate
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Post by leodragon on Jul 6, 2008 12:16:31 GMT -5
It's theoretically possible. Healing/Bio PK isn't exclusively focused on the nervous system and does affect living tissue. There is no indication that Psi is generated from the nervous system. They certain contain psi better than most rocks do, so it's likely that they would respond. It is not an experiment I've ever tried. ~The Devil's Advocate That is kind of one of the things that I have always been naturally able to do. I am speaking of forms of Bio-Pk. In my experience (I am going to explain this as best as I can), it was a combination of empathic projection and linking (in some cases) psychokinesis as well as a type of direct sensing of the area. The only contact that I have had with a persons nervous system was when I was attempting to change the pattern of their heart beat (with their permission of course). I normally just expand my awareness to sense a localized area (a group of cells, tissue, muscles, and other things of that nature). While in that sensing mode, it is as if my mind kind is like a weird pressure if that makes sense, uhhh, something with weight that can cause a change (bad example I know I am struggling to explain it for me sensing and PK have always been tied together). I just nudge things and smooth it out . I have never done anything big. It is actually easier for me to do a physiological type scan than any other. I have no idea why. On the psi sensitivity part, from what I sense from people, I have run across some people who read almost completely head blind or dead to psi. In some cases I sensed a type of block. In alot of cases there was a very very very solidified type either completely psychological/ or a type of weird construct which blocked of the thing which accounted for whatever makes psi senses possible from their conscious mind. Kind of like a wall. They could sense it if that wall wasn't there. In some cases their minds didn't understand what the stimuli was that there were sensing and kind of rejected or manifested it as a type of headache for them. I have noticed that in some of these cases it was a result of a type of defense mechanism that came into play when the person was being overloaded psychologically, empathically, or some other way psionically (the psychological turmoil can be very traumatic). I have met some people who seemed completely dead to it. I don't understand why, I am just speaking from what I have observed. I have observed that mental interaction in any form with these type of people is harder than people who are sensetive. I am speaking in any type of way. These maybe that these interactions use the input function of whatever sense makes psi possible, who knows. I am sorry if I don't go into much detail on this, it is starting to rain and I have to go.
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