Psionic Sensitivity

[innerfire]

There is also another factor we are not considering, without both a heavier knowledge of both psychology and psionics we cannot determine how many of these people that we think are dead to sensing psi have either consciously or subconsciously blocked themselves off from sensing it. Also this discussion goes further if you consider that they also might have been so opposed to the idea of psionics that they unconciously used bio-pk to damage whatever physical system is responsible for psionics.

It wouldn't even have to be a really direct influence to cause this kind of behavior, in some areas more than others there are societal and/or cultural tones that strongly oppose this kind of thing. For certain more manipulable people over a long period of time that would be more than enough to cause this kind of effect.

[The Devil's Advocate]

That is one way someone who is currently dead to psi can come about, but that does not negate the possibility that there are people out there who were not able to touch psi to start with. I think that possibility hasn't been brought up, largely because, as I understand it, we are dealing with the baseline, not how people can abuse themselves. Some people go blind because of disease or trauma. Some people are born blind. Just bringing up people who go blind due to disease does not negate the existence of the people who are born blind.

~The Devil's Advocate

[confuded]

OK, what ever I said is probably wrong or total BS. I just based it on some threads on this forum... I gte my theories form the posts and threads on this forum. Not more than that. I take a post (of a RL event or something that a expirienced person says, like DA, wolfdanceer etc.; authority) and from there I use logick to get further on...

I dont know why I am even here (in the D&D)...
*runs away leaving some stuff behind him*

[aquapk]

I agree with Cullen on this one. Yet, I think a problem would exist if the so called person wouldn't be able to control psi. A person doesn't need to see psi to control it. Like said so many times, the body responds to psi with sensations (like tingly or fuzzy). Most of the times a person learns how to scan AFTER she learns how to control psi (wich I totaly agree).

Another thing I noticed is that you say everyone frequently. However, not EVERYONE is interested on controlling psi...and I seriously doubt there will be.

About levels of skill: levels are ALWAYS being broken. There is ALWAYS someone who happens to be better at something and someone who happen to be worse. But, this doesn't mean that person can't be trained and "worked on". So, I guess this says most likely everything can be achieved with work and training.

Of course there is always those who will never run...or see. How about feeling psi? Some people only need instinct to sense it...you don't need vision to see psi, you don't need to hear in order to "hear" psi, and so on. Some people are less sensitive, but have you tried to train them? Cheer for them? Give them stregth? (Ok can't think anymore ;D )

~AquaPK

[The Devil's Advocate]

Careful with the "always", aquapk, There are limits to everything. There is a certain depth of pressure at which the human body WILL implode no matter how sturdy an individual is. There are limits to how far human physical structure can be pushed, (which is why the world record for a mile run is currently 3:43.13 and only beat the previous world record by a little over a second.)

As there are limits tot he physical there are also limits to the psionic. To assume otherwise without compelling evidence would very, very foolish. We are still learning where those limits are, but to say that the only reason people cannot touch Psi is becuase they haven't bothered is as foolish as saying the only reason that we haven't run a literal 3 minute mile is because no one's bothered to try. Folk have been trying for at least 100 years of the records we have!

And "See" is relative when talking to psi. The closest we come to a single word for for the sense that detects is 'Psi sensitivity'. And frankly if you can have people who cannot see, cannot feel (no sense of touch), cannot smell, cannot taste, or cannot hear then it is foolish to say that there will not be people who cannot sense or manipulate psi. I have met people who are completely insensitive to individual ASPECTS of psi (specifically empathy) and yes, I did try and work them around it. It wasn't a block. It was like they weren't 'there' as far as empathic reception when.

Not everything can be achieved by personal work and training. Not everyone is going to be a phenomenal chef. Not everyone is going to produce works like a Bellini Madona, Botticelli's Birth of Venus, The work in the School of San Rocco, Da Vinci's Last Supper. Some people will not be able to draw recognizable stick figures, even with help. Some people will be incapable of properly boiling water to make tea. There are individual limits. There is always the possibility of something 'not being wired right' and psi not working. See Cullen's post about what happens if we DO assume that everyone has psi... no vehicle the human body possesses to manipulate Psi cannot be missing something, broken, or otherwise messed with by cruel twists of fate, reality, and this little thing we call 'real life'. Which means we will always have outliers (People with scarily high ability and people with none.) You have done nothing to support your contention that even with training some people may not be able to manipulate psi.

~The Devil's Advocate

[gumby]

I think that some people arent sensitive, but anybody can get sensitive.

[The Devil's Advocate]

Do you have anything to back that little opinion up? This is debate and discussion, it is NOT a good place for random unsupported opinions.

~The Devil's Advocate

[gumby]

Because if anybody can do psionics, sensitivity is a part of psionics, I assume anyboy can get sensitive. I do have a few other reasons but theyre too hard to describe.

[The Devil's Advocate]

That's a circular argument. We have demonstraited very good reasons why there are very likely (rare) people who cannot touch Psi at all, you have not refuted a single one except to say you think they are wrong. Please attempt to describe the reasons and experiences you have for this opinion, or kindly do not post at all on the matter. "Because I say so" is very, very, very seldom a sufficient answer.

~The Devil's Advocate

[wolfdancer]

Gumby, we have had many indepth discussions about the fact that not everyone is capable of doing psionics. Have you read any of those discussions?

[kendoshin]

So far, I've only found out about all of you talking psi-sensitivity towards living people and animals. Anyway, I'd like to add that maybe FOETUS, IN THE WOMB of their mothers, senses psi. *Keep anything here a secret from outside the forum, since I think its wrong in some religious ethics, but lets hope no one here is too sensitive about religious superstitions*.

When my mom was pregnant, I used to stroke her stomach and feel for the baby <which was my sister, and this happened 2 years ago>. Then, I'd send out some psi-energy (relatively low, since I haven't learned controlling psi as I am now); thinking in my mind that "You'd be a good friend and sibling to me" over and over again. Much to my surprise, <back to present, she is now 2 years old> she DID grow attached to me, much more than she would be to my mother; at certain points. I've started to use psi-energy below the age of 10, but stopped training it purposely by that age.After some time, you'd expect my abilities would be latent, if any; at that time. I can't supply much more data than this, since pregnancy isn't what you can experiment on a daily basis .

P/S: I'm really sorry if this post offends some of you. In fact, I myself is filled with remorse after what I've done, playing with a FOETUS' FREE WILL. But, I have to post this since it may help us to understand where psi-sensitivity starts, and it may have even been before the foetus is inside the mother's womb,

[The Devil's Advocate]

Some might some might not... I haven't been around enough psions who were pregnant to say; however, I have been around a (now) toddler and young child who are both empathic. I didn't really start noting much in the way of empathy on the toddler's part until he was about 6 months old. (Doesn't mean it wasn't there, just that's when I started picking up little bits accompanying the periodic 'the world is ending' crying.) The other has been perceptibly empathic for as long as I have known them (2 and a half years now). The earliest I can REMEMBER doing psionics is around 8, but that's been almost 20 years so I may have been using it before then and just not remembered any specific incident.

You may or may not have done anything at all to influence your sister psionically. Have you accounted for your actions since she was born, as well? Those WILL have an impact, and the age difference between you is significant enough to engender a very nature 'my big brother, my hero' mentality without any help at all. Especially if you're nice to her.

Also note: this is a public forum. ANYONE can look at it who stumbles across the site. You want it kept secret don't post it. Or PM it to specific people you trust.

~The Devil's Advocate

[kendoshin]

Well, the reason I want to share it is to open our eyes to some possibilities we may have overlooked. So, if its for the debating sake of this forum, then I'd be glad to discuss it. But if it's for everyday use, where you hypnotise babies even before they're born, then its entirely an ethical issue. It was entirely ACCIDENTAL that I did *something* to my sister; not like I was totally into making her follow my order.

As I've said, there's a huge lack of data; so I can't be sure that I haven't entirely psyched my sister, or just coincidental. But one thing's for sure, I didn't give her any special treats, if that's what you mean. To be honest, I love cute things <I know, it shouldn't happen to a guy, but I can't help it>; and my sister falls a short category under that, compared to my other siblings <in fact, if she's already a 12-year old and still maintain her beautiful face, she could've more probably win a Beauty Contest rather than Cutey Contest>. Another point was that I barely spend any time with her, since most of my time is devoted on school, homeworks, and of course, psi-training. So, we could rule out the hypothesis that I was her hero; thought not entirely either.

P/S: Notice how this text is entirely ambiguous where my opinion stood? Maybe some people would've done the same thing before, so post your results. However, please do not try, whether it's your first time doing it or not, onto newborn babies (or in this case, newmade foetus?). I'm asking for results of that HAVE been done on the past, and forbid any of you to do the experiment AFTER reading this thread. It's ethically wrong.

[The Devil's Advocate]

1) You said she was 2 not 12.

2) You're starting to get a little bit off topic here. The admonitions are well meant and very wellt aken to heart, but you need to take a deep breath and relax a little on it. This is not an ethics thread. The point has been made.

3) It does leave some questions open, as to how early a psion should be able to tell a child is psionic. I gave you my numbers, and I'm a strong Empath.

~The Devil's Advocate

[kendoshin]

To keep the posts on topic:

I believe most males sense psionic better than most females. I don't know why, but it seems like only the girls who couldn't feel (or maybe able to repel) the force of my psiball, which I programmed to make people choose not to sit beside me. I tried to do the same thing daily, over each seat, but can only do this little experiment on the same, bus going the same route, picking the same people (unless there's an event on school that day) daily. The result: only girls came to sit beside me, while the guys prefer to stand even though there's an empty seat beside me (unless I call to them and asked them to sit beside me). <I would appreciate comments on my experiment, or else results (by PM) of a similar experiment done by any of you.