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Post by TC on Jan 29, 2007 23:03:24 GMT -5
Good point, DA. I forget sometimes about that.
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Post by darkerside on Jan 30, 2007 2:37:43 GMT -5
Let's face it, I'm hopeless. I'll give it one more week; after that, I'm outta here. Everybody's got their limit. There seems to be enough people around the internet that have fun with this stuff, so I won't close off the idea, but if another week goes by and I've got nothing, I'll admit it MIGHT exist, but I'm incapable of it.
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Post by ultimarage on Jan 30, 2007 5:01:20 GMT -5
It has taken some people weeks or months to even begin feeling psi. You still don't believe. That's okay - we all had our skepticism before we experienecd anything, but you must have no doubts in your abilities for this to work. You have to 'know' that you can do it. Sorry to sound like a broken record over here, but it doesn't matter who you are. The fact of the matter is that anyone is capable of doing this if they are truly interested.
You make your limit; your limit isn't made for you. Have confidence in your abilities and you will be rewarded greatly.
To fall is to get up, but to get up is the challenge.
Try practicing more than just one area. What have you been trying to do - move energy, create a psi-ball? Perhaps Energy Manipulation isn't your cup of tea? Try some other things aswell to see what you have an aptitude for.
You seem like an intelligent person, which leads me to believe that with persistence, you will succeed.
You must remember that most of us were in the same boat as you were at one time. Open to the possibility, but just didn't know what to think about the whole thing.
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Post by The Devil's Advocate on Jan 30, 2007 13:29:12 GMT -5
17 years Darkerside. 17 years. Please stick around. You don't need to be able to do this to talk about it. I have yet to move a psiwheel or any object with telekinesis, I have been trying off and on for roughly 2 years, though I have not spent a concentrated time actually working on it. Yet it is still possible to discuss it in the terms of physics. In my case it probably is a mental block. The implications of TK frighten me, especially if my ability with TK expands to match my Empathy, which the other things I have successfully attempted seem to be doing.
I know it can be frustrating. I've been you. Is there the possibility you just may not be able to do it? Yes. Is it likely? Not really. In the end it is your choice and your call, I would very much hate to see you go, but wish you well whatever you decide. Feel free to PM if you have questions you would rather not ask on forum.
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Post by TC on Jan 30, 2007 17:55:48 GMT -5
I don't even think you realize how much you've just accomplished. In a way, it's not about the psi. You came here a SEVERE skeptic, and now you're admitting that you're not going to completely doubt psionics. That's a huge jump in my book. You used to be a "forte" skeptic, but now you're kinda like "mezzo piano" skeptic. (For whoever can read the musical dynamics).
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Post by darkerside on Jan 30, 2007 21:33:59 GMT -5
The implications of TK frighten me, especially if my ability with TK expands to match my Empathy, which the other things I have successfully attempted seem to be doing. Frightening? That would be incredible! You could prove psionics to the whole world if you could levitate objects on command! Unfortunately, I'm not a natural psychic like you. I've never had anything happen to me that I can't explain with science. That's probably why this is so hard. If there's a special part of your brain you need to do this, I've never used it, and I might as well be a baby opening his eyes for the first time as far as psionics goes.
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Post by innerfire on Jan 30, 2007 21:38:44 GMT -5
darkerside, I'm a "scientist-like" personality profile/thinking style as well. While it doesn't make things easy all the time, that in now way blocks you out from using psionics.
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Post by The Devil's Advocate on Jan 30, 2007 23:42:39 GMT -5
I rationalized every single psionic incident scientifically for a good long time darkerside. It's nothing new, but it's also not always easy to move past that. Look how long it took me!
As for terrifying, yes. I find the implications of TK Terrifying. And no TK will not likely prove Psi. Why? Because anything we can do with Psi, David Copperfield can do better and more impressively. But the implications for me and TK. If I get as, comparatively, strong with TK as I am with Empathy. I could do things most people go 'oooo it would be neat if'. I use my abilities instinctively, and have had to STOP my self, actively from accidentally using them in inappropriate, unethical ways when I loose my temper. There is a great deal more potential for physical harm if that happens with TK than any other discipline.
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Post by darkerside on Jan 31, 2007 2:22:32 GMT -5
I use my abilities instinctively, and have had to STOP my self, actively from accidentally using them in inappropriate, unethical ways when I loose my temper. There is a great deal more potential for physical harm if that happens with TK than any other discipline. I'm guessing you've read Stephen King's Carrie. But I wouldn't really think keeping TK under control would be any different than keeping your fists from socking other people. Then again, I don't really know ANYTHING about how it works, so I couldn't say. Anyway, I've tried to do TK, but nothing works there either. I'm going to run out of areas before I find something that works!
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Post by neveza on Jan 31, 2007 3:47:59 GMT -5
Psychokinesis is probably the hardest skill to start with. It's known to take forever before any form of results happen. So don't get down on no results from psychokinesis.
I don't understand how people geist when their emotions run high. I've never experienced this, although I wished I did.
Remember, darkerside, Ability does have a side to this, but the technique plays a large role too. With a bad technique, it can hinder your skills to a great deal. It might be your technique, but I can't for sure as you never posted what you did when you tried to do energy manipulation.
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Post by jaci on Jan 31, 2007 6:24:19 GMT -5
I'm guessing you've read Stephen King's Carrie. But I wouldn't really think keeping TK under control would be any different than keeping your fists from socking other people. Then again, I don't really know ANYTHING about how it works, so I couldn't say. It's not that simple. You have to think about socking someone then act on that impulse. Geists seem to be tied up with the subconcious to a certain extent. A geist is uncontrolled pk, you don't conciously think about it making it happen.
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Post by The Devil's Advocate on Jan 31, 2007 9:05:12 GMT -5
Thank you Jacci.
Darkerside, responding in PM.
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Post by R. on Jan 31, 2007 17:35:37 GMT -5
You need a good deal of self-control to use psi efficiently, and while you can get arrested for beating someone up there is no law dealing with psi...could you resist temptation?
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Post by The Devil's Advocate on Jan 31, 2007 18:06:51 GMT -5
And to add to that, there is a split second between WANTING to do something and actually deciding not to do it. Most of my temper issues have occured in that split second when subconcious took over based on a snap momentary want. Even if you can resist the temptation, are you quick enough to avoid that kind of thing?
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Post by innerfire on Jan 31, 2007 18:36:27 GMT -5
I'll add my thoughts, one of the other things I tinker with is biofeedback, luckily its hard to do anything significantly damaging with it without focusing intently, but I know way too well how quickly a stray thought can cause something to happen. I give myself headaches sometimes because I randomly thought about getting a headache -_-
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