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Nov 10, 2006 11:47:44 GMT -5
Post by electrikfuzz050 on Nov 10, 2006 11:47:44 GMT -5
From what I have gathered, be it books, online articles and soforth, there are two types of negs, neither of which can harm you. (I'm not saying there are not any more).
1. Spirits of the plane acting as a neg, to intimidate you and scare you.
2. Figments of your imagination, they are there simply because you belive in them.
I would like to hear other peoples opinions on this. (DA's or otherwise.)
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Nov 10, 2006 17:24:57 GMT -5
Post by TC on Nov 10, 2006 17:24:57 GMT -5
A little more information here please? I'm not one to know the astral plane "lingo". Do you think you could dumb it down a little bit for those who don't study this field?
Edit: For example; what's a neg?
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Nov 10, 2006 18:52:10 GMT -5
Post by electrikfuzz050 on Nov 10, 2006 18:52:10 GMT -5
A Neg is an negative entity that exists on the other planes. Others that I have talked to have not found any of these, but there are people that belive real ones exist.
EDIT: Spelling.
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Nov 11, 2006 22:13:09 GMT -5
Post by TC on Nov 11, 2006 22:13:09 GMT -5
Is this spiritual? If so, then perhaps this conversation would be better left to PM. Unless we're allowed to debate religion in the Debates forum. In any case, I don't know much about other planes. I just wanted to know what was going on.
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Nov 12, 2006 5:03:06 GMT -5
Post by neveza on Nov 12, 2006 5:03:06 GMT -5
Interesting, I do remember reading someone saying something about something he read with the idea that people who see ghosts because they believe in them and actually have it created by them. (Either through psi or psychological, not sure which, probably both)
However, I don't have any experience in astral projections to continure on.
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Nov 12, 2006 10:27:18 GMT -5
Post by The Devil's Advocate on Nov 12, 2006 10:27:18 GMT -5
We are not allowed to debate religion in this forum; however, there are entities that can and do act on individuals that originate from other locations. They do not necessarily care if you are religious or not. We can debate the possible religious origins and nature of these creatures through PM, but we can discuss the impact they have on the world here.
For example. I know they exist, not because of some spiritual belief, or religious conviction, but because they have attacked me repeatedly. Even should these attacks have been spiritual in nature, I can still discuss them because the fact they occurred is NOT a religious issue. I was attacked.
For the sake of argument and not crossing the religion line let us lay down a few definitions: "Spiritual Entities" shall become "Incorporeal Entities" which is "Things that as far as we tell don't have a body we can touch with our hands"
Now for the type of "negative Incorporeal Entities" proposed. Yes it is possible to scare yourself into believing there is something out there. Children (and even adults) afraid of the dark do it all the time. There are ways, especially as psions, to test for this.
1) Most "negative entities" are readily detected with empathy and a quick scan. If they are malicious most of them do not bother to try and hide that inherent core of malice.
2) The ones that do mask their malice aforethought, usually cannot mask the type of energy they use which is directly related to the 'plane' they occupy.
3) It is also possible for people to attribute actual attack to 'it is my mind playing tricks on me.'
This is something I have repeatedly tested and experimented with. Usually with the unpleasant things that come knocking at my door rather than the other way around. I have a very good ‘sense’ of what most people seem to be calling the ‘planar structure’ or in D&D (dungeons and Dragons not Debate and Discussion though the pun is apropos) the ‘cosmology’ of the universe. I cannot prove it as my observations are not based on a sense that everyone in the world shares; therefore, they cannot readily be corroborated.
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Nov 12, 2006 20:00:50 GMT -5
Post by electrikfuzz050 on Nov 12, 2006 20:00:50 GMT -5
Heh, so you must be a magnet for these then? People I know and have talked to (Including several authors of books on the subject and almost the entire forum at astral society have not been attacked by these.) Odds are that you will not be attacked by these. I also have to point out that you are as safe on the Astral Plane as you are on the Physical Plane.
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Nov 12, 2006 20:22:54 GMT -5
Post by The Devil's Advocate on Nov 12, 2006 20:22:54 GMT -5
If you're going to reference authors and books give names. If you cannot give names of books, then I am going to assume there are no such books.
They don't like me. Why? Because I know they're there and they can't whisper in my ear and convince me they're harmless. Because I can tell without TRYING what they are. I'm an empath. Are you trying to tell me anything that radiates itself as pure MALICE is harmless? Are you trying to tell me any PLACE that radiates that much malice and hate and rage is perfectly safe? Are you trying to tell me the friends who have confirmed my impression are lying? Are you trying to tell me the one who had a close call with loosing herself to these things was either lying or imagining things? Forget that.
I've met many people who claim not to have been attacked that have these things following them around like leeches. "I'm not being attacked" they tell me. You are NOT safe on the astral AT ALL. I am not the only one. They're just more overt with me than they are with most people. Most people they whisper in your ear and change who and what you are before you even know they're there. And then these people who don't even realize they're being manipulated go out and say "Oh it's not dangerous you're just imagining things." Yeah, sure. Keep believing that. Keep walking through the mind field. When you're not useful anymore see what they do to you.
My question for you, is what is this astral Society not telling you. The astral plane is as safe as any war zone. So if you live in South Central LA or the worst parts of New York you might feel right at home there. Probably not. I've driven through South Central LA and on an empatic level? It has NOTHING on the astral plane for hate. NOTHING.
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Nov 12, 2006 20:25:12 GMT -5
Post by innerfire on Nov 12, 2006 20:25:12 GMT -5
1) There's a crucial fact that you can choose to avoid the astral plane but can't do that for the physical plane. Also, since your body still exists in the physical plane when you do astral projection you are infact increasing your danger, since any dangers in the physical world could still happen, and any dangers inherent to the astral plane can now happen. Even if it was an equal amount of danger, 1+1=2 2) From just a logical standpoint, its almost a given that you're less safe since there's not 6 billion humans all going to the astral plane to have attacks spread out to. The reason realistically most people won't get bothered with attacks on the physical plane is there's 6+ billion people in this world for attacks to be distributed around, so it becomes a question what makes you more of a target than any of the other people. If you lower the number of targets, any danger has a higher probability of being inflicted on you. 3) A community focused on astral projection is not likely to emphasize any serious dangers of practicing the cornerstone skill for that community. If they did it would quickly kill membership, I'm not saying the information is hidden, it just might be backed into a disclaimer in the corner. 4) Even if they only exist because you believe in them, a figment of your imagination could still be harmful if you believe it has the capacity to harm you, since you are capable of hurting yourself. - So that's out too 5) It seems quite unlikely that they can only scare you, you're in *their house*, if nothing else you'll have limited power and they'll have at least regular power, and if even that's wrong go back to point 4, enough of a scare could be harmful.
Also note, besides just the people here I know other people that attest to there being dangerous things on the astral plane. So this isn't just a PsiOnline thing.
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Nov 12, 2006 21:20:59 GMT -5
Post by electrikfuzz050 on Nov 12, 2006 21:20:59 GMT -5
And then there's the part where it isn't "their house". The negative entities on the Astral Plane used to exsist on the Physical Plane and were human like us. The only things on the Astral Plane that can harm you (I will call them angels and demons here, for simplicities sake) will not harm you, unless you yourself are negative, in which case, well, you get what you deserve.
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Nov 12, 2006 21:36:31 GMT -5
Post by innerfire on Nov 12, 2006 21:36:31 GMT -5
I'd like to see some kind of citations, I admit my stuff is theoritical and thus its citation is to logic, but you're just saying stuff as fact with no backup whatsoever.
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Nov 12, 2006 21:39:29 GMT -5
Post by electrikfuzz050 on Nov 12, 2006 21:39:29 GMT -5
What I am saying is based up by my beliefs and the beliefs of others. I also say it because my mission is to find out as much of the truth about the Planes as I can, and if I am harmed in the process, so be it. I would rather do that than spend all my time and energy protecting myself against these things and find no reason why they are attacking me.
Add: Check out "Etheric Vision" by A Student, and Kingdom of Faerie by Goffrey Hodson. Where I got some of my stuff from. Google it, they're availabe online. I would also like to clarify something. While I belive that there aren't any entities out there that can cause permanent damage, there are those out there that can feed off your fear, if you let them. This can send you back to your body, and leave you fatiuged. the best way to combat this is to not let them scare you, or to not be afraid of them. DA, the reason that these things attack you is because the first time you experienced them, you were probably afraid of them, and they drained you. Because of this, you belive that they can still attack you, which is why they do.
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Nov 12, 2006 22:51:16 GMT -5
Post by innerfire on Nov 12, 2006 22:51:16 GMT -5
I talked to one of my friends outside of psionline that's spent a lot of time on the Astral Plane, and he basically says that this idea of yours is rediculous. They can most certaintly attack, he's even witnessed blood spurting out of peoples' noses as a result of an attack.
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Nov 12, 2006 22:58:27 GMT -5
Post by electrikfuzz050 on Nov 12, 2006 22:58:27 GMT -5
He is entitled to his opinion. You might want to head over to the astralsoceity.com forums. I'm sure they can set you straight.
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Nov 12, 2006 23:01:56 GMT -5
Post by innerfire on Nov 12, 2006 23:01:56 GMT -5
The trust you have in one community is kinda scary, the fact that theres contention from 2 very experienced people in different communities with what they've been telling you should say something. Communities as a whole can screw up and follow some fluffly ideals, its not unheard of.
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