Post by The Devil's Advocate on Nov 13, 2006 0:14:51 GMT -5
Fuzz you are a fool.
Let me put this in the plain simple English you are abjectly failing to comprehend. If you prefer I could put it in plain simple Russian. If you are so very interested in the TRUTH why are you so adamantly dismissing other opinions? Do you want me to introduce you to some of the things that hunt me? Not just attack. They have been actively HUNTING me for years. They did not attack me because I was afraid of them. I came to fear them and respect the threat they pose because they attacked me. Get your causality right. You've currently got a very low batting average when it comes to actually identifying cause and affect and performing anything resembling proper analysis. This does not bode well for your own credibility in this argument.
And what makes these books credible?
For crying out loud they're still touting the ETHER! The Ether was the 'stuff that light travels through in space' that they could never prove existed, and Einstein pretty well proved did NOT exist. They go back to the old conspiracy theories of the Rose and the Cross and the treasure of the Knight's Templar. That's one of the oldest conspiracy theories still being propagated! You might as well start claiming you've turned lead into gold! They have no references and nothing backing them up. Which makes it “Take my word for it, no I don’t have to tell you why.” There’s not enough in them to justify taking them on their own merit, and they don’t reference anything ELSE that would! They reference the Rose and Cross (Rosenkruez) Sometimes also called the Order of the Rosy Cross, ad nauseum. (Oh, yes, I have researched this a decent amount and run into several organizations claiming to be the true knights/order of the rose and cross dating back to antiquity. Most haven’t existed for more than 100 years.) The doctrine of the Rosecrucian Order is not, by itself, sufficient.
The things that attacked me were never human. Their mentality was entirely at odds with the human mental patterns. Even EMPATHS I meet do not radiate any single emotion that strongly. That emotion is not the core of even an empath's being. It IS the core of what these Incorporeal Entities are. If you want I will give you a more detailed comparison of what I observe in a 'normal' human signature and these things, but that is not the topic of this thread.
There are layers to this I cannot discuss here, but PM me, by all means PM me and I will give you the other half of this earful. Better yet I'll show you where the Astral Plane leads.
Am I interested in the Truth. Yes, but that’s not why I’m in psionics. I study psionics because by learning to deal with and control my empathy, I facilitate my own survival. These things you say ‘cannot do permanent damage’ have come very close several times. There has been no ‘draining’ involved. There has been pushing and overloading. There has been twisting of thought and mind. There has been insidious whispers. There have been overt and covert attacks that left me exhausted NOT because something had drained me, but exhausted the way you are after an actual fight. (Not that I expect you to ever have been in a real fight, but I have. The your enemy doesn’t drain your energy, actually striving against him USES it. Even in the re-directional arts, it still takes some commitment from you and a protracted battle will still use up your resources, though less so than if you try and muscle your way through.)
But what do I know? I’ve only been dealing with the plane for 14 years. I have given you my experiences. The other people I have spoken to will have to give you theirs.
~The Devil's Advocate
PS tell your friends at the Astral Society to play nice. It is very rude to attempt to deep scan someone without their permission, especially when all they did was visit the site. I hope he enjoyed his headache.
Let me put this in the plain simple English you are abjectly failing to comprehend. If you prefer I could put it in plain simple Russian. If you are so very interested in the TRUTH why are you so adamantly dismissing other opinions? Do you want me to introduce you to some of the things that hunt me? Not just attack. They have been actively HUNTING me for years. They did not attack me because I was afraid of them. I came to fear them and respect the threat they pose because they attacked me. Get your causality right. You've currently got a very low batting average when it comes to actually identifying cause and affect and performing anything resembling proper analysis. This does not bode well for your own credibility in this argument.
And what makes these books credible?
For crying out loud they're still touting the ETHER! The Ether was the 'stuff that light travels through in space' that they could never prove existed, and Einstein pretty well proved did NOT exist. They go back to the old conspiracy theories of the Rose and the Cross and the treasure of the Knight's Templar. That's one of the oldest conspiracy theories still being propagated! You might as well start claiming you've turned lead into gold! They have no references and nothing backing them up. Which makes it “Take my word for it, no I don’t have to tell you why.” There’s not enough in them to justify taking them on their own merit, and they don’t reference anything ELSE that would! They reference the Rose and Cross (Rosenkruez) Sometimes also called the Order of the Rosy Cross, ad nauseum. (Oh, yes, I have researched this a decent amount and run into several organizations claiming to be the true knights/order of the rose and cross dating back to antiquity. Most haven’t existed for more than 100 years.) The doctrine of the Rosecrucian Order is not, by itself, sufficient.
The things that attacked me were never human. Their mentality was entirely at odds with the human mental patterns. Even EMPATHS I meet do not radiate any single emotion that strongly. That emotion is not the core of even an empath's being. It IS the core of what these Incorporeal Entities are. If you want I will give you a more detailed comparison of what I observe in a 'normal' human signature and these things, but that is not the topic of this thread.
There are layers to this I cannot discuss here, but PM me, by all means PM me and I will give you the other half of this earful. Better yet I'll show you where the Astral Plane leads.
Am I interested in the Truth. Yes, but that’s not why I’m in psionics. I study psionics because by learning to deal with and control my empathy, I facilitate my own survival. These things you say ‘cannot do permanent damage’ have come very close several times. There has been no ‘draining’ involved. There has been pushing and overloading. There has been twisting of thought and mind. There has been insidious whispers. There have been overt and covert attacks that left me exhausted NOT because something had drained me, but exhausted the way you are after an actual fight. (Not that I expect you to ever have been in a real fight, but I have. The your enemy doesn’t drain your energy, actually striving against him USES it. Even in the re-directional arts, it still takes some commitment from you and a protracted battle will still use up your resources, though less so than if you try and muscle your way through.)
But what do I know? I’ve only been dealing with the plane for 14 years. I have given you my experiences. The other people I have spoken to will have to give you theirs.
~The Devil's Advocate
PS tell your friends at the Astral Society to play nice. It is very rude to attempt to deep scan someone without their permission, especially when all they did was visit the site. I hope he enjoyed his headache.