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Post by The Devil's Advocate on Dec 12, 2006 10:48:02 GMT -5
You make good points, Inner Fire, but I have attempted to project at someone who is empathically dead. And gotten no where. It was literally as effective as projecting at a brick wall, where as I know he could deal with Telepathy. He used it to give me headaches often enough (mostly unintentional.) So such inabilities DO exist. (No, it wasn't a shield. It wasn't even a cloaked shield, I was funneling through an unfiltered link at the time.) There was NOTHING getting through. It may be rare, but there are people who are, not only NOT psionically active in one area, but actually seem to be truely psionically dead in that area. Can It be remedied? I don't know. I am no longer on speaking terms with that individual so...
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Post by innerfire on Dec 12, 2006 17:28:41 GMT -5
Just to take your job for a second, can you really be sure that there isn't some other explantion? I can't know the details of the situation but couldn't it alternatively be that the ability isn't "dead" but "turned off" so to speak? There could be a block that was so strong that it decreased the ability to the point where it was essentially zero.
This is the issue I was talking about, we don't know how psionics works in the first place so its hard to guess on ways it could *not* work.
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Post by The Devil's Advocate on Dec 13, 2006 14:21:01 GMT -5
No worries Inner Fire. And there are other possibiliteis. I have discounted them for reasons which are not appropriate for discussion on this forum. The one that can be is this: There was a link in place. Unless he was specifically blocking it with such strength that I could not dent it and then cloaking the block sufficiently that I could not detect it, he was completely, empathically dead. I find it highly unlikely that he managed that give the other factors that are NOT appropriate to mention here.
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Post by ultimarage on Jan 23, 2007 4:44:13 GMT -5
I do like how you're thinking out of the box, thread starter, but I believe that we would not be able to function properly if psi could not circulate freely within and around us. My theory is that it's like blood; without it we would die. Also, I believe that all psionic abilities are tied in with psi one way or another.
I think psionic paralysis is another name for a mental block.
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Post by The Devil's Advocate on Jan 23, 2007 6:48:21 GMT -5
Interesting points, however, to counter. I actually know someone who is an empathic brick as I mentioned earlier. His strength is Energy manipulation. I'm not sure what kind of Telepath he is but Empathically it's like trying to project, quite literally, at a rock. He was actually convinced he was quite good with empathy, so I'm not sure if that would count as a block. It didn't FEEL like a block when I scaned him, though, I will admit the only blocks I've dealt with, on that level, were my own. There is a psionic 'feel' to a mental block... almost like a scar. But again that is my observation from the experience I have. It would be logical for psionic abilitieis to be tied to psi, that is one of the general assumptions we have made on this site, but just like all of our senses are tied to the central nervous system, that does not prevent people from going 'blind' either mundanely or psionically. The body and mind are more resiliant tha most people give them credit for. While this technically is a thread resurection, you had good points so I'm not going to stomp. Just check the date of the last post to make sure you're not resurecting something a month or more old without cause. ~The Devil's Advocate
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Post by TC on Jan 28, 2007 0:16:25 GMT -5
I do like how you're thinking out of the box, thread starter, but I believe that we would not be able to function properly if psi could not circulate freely within and around us. My theory is that it's like blood; without it we would die. Also, I believe that all psionic abilities are tied in with psi one way or another. I think psionic paralysis is another name for a mental block. So you're saying that we all need psionics in order to live? Or just to function properly. Either way, I'd be interested to know where you base this theory off of. Secondly, even if all of the abilities were tied to psi, this wouldn't be enough to totally disprove any hypothesis that someone cannot perform an ability. For example, suppose someone is paralyzed physically from the waist downward, which is a common form of paralysis. Now, this person can move their arms, head, and everything above the waist. But from the waist downward, they cannot move anything. Everything in their body somehow is related to the nervous system in similar ways that the psionic fields are related to psi. The various parts of the body need the nervous system to function properly, but some parts just do not function because they have been damaged in some way, a prime example being a severed part of the spine. In the same way (provided your ideas are correct), all psionic fields use and need psi, but some of them just may not be getting triggered by the energy. I don't have any way of truly proving this. ut I have been attempting to move objects ever since I have been a part of psionics, and have failed each and every time. It doesn't feel like a mental block to me. Even if it were, could that be considered a form of psionic paralysis? Are there some mental blocks that cannot be overcome? Is it even a mental block, or something else? All of these questions cannot be answered with certainty.
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Post by ultimarage on Jan 28, 2007 1:30:27 GMT -5
Not psionics, psi. The energy that flows through every cell in our body.
You do understand the mechanics of physical paralysis, right? It's when a nerve that controls a motor function is severed, and since nerves don't grow back, the message can no longer be sent to the appropriate muscle groups. Psi isn't physical, and follows different principals (yay rhyming). I also don't believe that psionics have much to do with the brain itself - I believe that our minds are seperate from our brains, and our mind is the part that does psionics. What I categorize as the mind are our consious and sub-consious.
There are probably still some mental blocks still going against you, but I can't say for sure. I was able to spin the psiwheel on the first try, but during that first try I had no doubts, consiously and sub-consiously.
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Post by innerfire on Jan 28, 2007 2:32:18 GMT -5
I don't have any way of truly proving this. ut I have been attempting to move objects ever since I have been a part of psionics, and have failed each and every time. It doesn't feel like a mental block to me. Even if it were, could that be considered a form of psionic paralysis? Are there some mental blocks that cannot be overcome? Is it even a mental block, or something else? All of these questions cannot be answered with certainty. Well, unfortunately if you entertain the possibility of some mental blocks being impossible to overcome you effectively make it true whether it was or not to begin with. You are aware of this aren't you?
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Post by TC on Jan 28, 2007 14:08:06 GMT -5
Ultimarage, you're using a lot of assumptions. First, you cannot assume that without psi, we cannot live, as you cannot in any way prove this. I would ask you to experiment, but if what you say is true, then it wouldn't be prudent to toy with it. You're basing your argument off of something you think may be true.
The physical paralysis may not have been the best analogy, but I think you missed my point. Just because one is physical and one isn't doesn't mean you can compare similarities. I do agree that your mind is something that isn't tangible and that our brain is. What I'm trying to say is that it is a possibility that a field of psionics could be completely unreachable by certain people because of things they cannot control. Is there any possibility at all that there might be some sort of paralysis in the psionics "realm" that we ourselves are either born with or is afflicted in some way? I think by now, we're just having trouble explaining our sides of the story. Or at least I am.
One more thing ultimarage. Are you suggesting the psi does not affect our physical body? After just explaining to me that psi "flows through every cell in our body"? If this is what you are suggesting, then how can telepathy cause headaches? How can we get dizzy because of psi? How would we be able to feel psi? How would we be able to perform telekinesis? After all, you did say that all the fields used psi. I would say that psi can absolutely have similarities with the phsyical. So either you believe it doesn't, or you believe it does. Ultimarage, I'd be interested to discuss this with you in chat, where we can speak more quickly. I think our debate might be a little more fluent than on the forums.
Innerfire: Entertaining the possibility does not imply that I believe it. But consider this. Someone does indeed have a mental block disabling them from using telekinesis. They attempt all their life to perform telekinesis and go no where. This said person does not, however, believe that a mental block cannot be overcome. If they believe it can be overcome, but cannot overcome it in a life time after stressing all techniques and possibilities, does that make the mental block impossible to overcome, even if the person believes it is possible? This is why I think there's more to a "mental" block than just belief. That's why I brought up the idea of psionic paralysis. Could there be something other than lack of belief or lack of understanding that disables us from performing a psionic task? Something in the psionics "realm" that could be related to the shut down in a physical paralysis?
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Post by innerfire on Jan 28, 2007 15:22:06 GMT -5
Theres yet another wildcard that psionics provides I was just thinking of, even if there was some physical problem that locked someone out from doing a certain area of psionics, couldn't that be altered with healing or bio-pk? I'm not saying its always easy (or safe), but in theory between those two theres a lot of stuff in the body that can be mucked around with, I don't see why any kind of "paralysis," if it even exists, couldn't be fixed.
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Post by The Devil's Advocate on Jan 28, 2007 16:37:16 GMT -5
Sight cannot always be restored. The paralized do not often regain function of thier limbs. There are things that it simply is not within our capability to fix. Does psionic inability or 'blindness' fit that catagory? I don't know. It would depend on the nature of the cause... And until we actually KNOW, not believe, not guess, KNOW what causes Psi and what the full rules of psi are, we cannot say for certain.
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Post by innerfire on Jan 28, 2007 16:43:55 GMT -5
The paralyzed do not *often* regain control their limbs, but it was starting to happen in the case of Christopher Reeve, which convinces me that with enough effort it is possible to fix some of these things.
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Post by The Devil's Advocate on Jan 28, 2007 16:51:24 GMT -5
That is why I put 'often'. My aunt is what they call a 'lucky quad', that is she was left with partial function in her upper limbs. Initially this was shoulder, elbow, and wrist movement. After 20 years in a wheel chair she regained 1/4 inch movement in her fingers. This is VERY slow healing, and she has had NO aditional capability in her legs (though after 40 years now, the muscles will have atrophied for it to be a moot point.) Some things we can do something about. Other things it is simply not in OUR power to cure. It is a possibility that cannot be completely discounted as long as we stay within the relms of science. (The possibility of miricles is not apropriate to this forum so it can be debated elsewhere.) The question becomes: is what little we can do going to make enough difference in a time frame that matters? (a life time, before the muscles deteriorate beyond recovery, etc.)
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Post by psiboy16 on Aug 13, 2007 16:56:28 GMT -5
There haven’t been any replies to this in awhile, but I just joined and I have to throw my two sense in.
The idea of being paralyzed in a certain area of psioncics such as being physically paralyzed isn't impossible just improbable. When it comes to being physically paralyzed all that happens is a break in passageway the transmissions are sent, and this is caused by some accident or an unfortunate defect. So if you were paralyzed in Tk then there would also have to be something blocking the transmission, and if Tk is preformed by the mind this is unlikely because neurons have thousands of connections and it would be hard for a certain portion to e completely isolated resulting in any mental parlays.
If your can't perform Tk what is more likely is what you have done in life has not used that part of the brain, or wherever Tk is preformed, so it is basically a very weak mussel not an unfunctioning one, just unable to do anything strong enough to be noticed. The brain is like every mussel without use it gets weak, but doesn't disappear.
Of course as innerfire says it could also just be a mental block that has been set up in your mind from something.
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Post by goliath797 on Aug 31, 2007 10:01:59 GMT -5
I personally dont find its a body part, but a certain level of "emotion" or "mood" ive noticed i CAN NOT whatsoever shield unless im calm, i cant make psiballs if im confused about something, and i cant use TK if im anxious, maybe it could be related.
i can only make psiballs if my mind is clear i can only use TK if im calm and focused
and etc.
Anyone else think this, rather then body parts and/or sections of the brain?
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