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Post by TC on Dec 1, 2006 21:27:32 GMT -5
I have never heard the idea considered, but one day while practicing, I became frustrated. It came to me because I was attempting to perform only a single bit of TK. I've attempted, practiced, and tried for a very long time, with no such luck.
Then I thought of the idea of someone who is psionically paralyzed. The name suggests itself. Someone who cannot perform one or any of the psionic skills, abilities, etc.
When I first thought of this, there was no scientific data to back this up. But by thinking a little bit further, it came to me that many applications of psionics are often associated with our own bodies, and perhaps specifically, the brain. If there are other physical things that a human can be prevented from using, ie: legs, arms, or certain parts of their brain, then what's to say someone may not be able to perform telepathy, telekinesis, or energy manipulation? This is, of course, assuming that your body and its functions play a vital role in psionics.
It also came to me that if someone were able to perform energy manipulation, telepathy, empathy, and precog, but weren't able to perform telekinesis, could this possibly mean that energy manipulation, telepathy, empathy, precog, telekesis, etc. all use different parts of your body or mind to function?
Again, I don't know quite what I'm getting at here and I don't know how accurate some of these "what ifs" are, but I haven't really found the time to fully think it through yet, so I just figured I'd post it here to ask your opinions on it.
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Post by innerfire on Dec 1, 2006 23:01:00 GMT -5
I don't know, I find this idea trying to mask over just a very serious block. From experience I know you can vreate a block pretty quickly and if handled inproperly its quite easy to make it into a reinforcing cycle that will shut you down for a good while. The only reason I know its a block is because I'm a very stubborn Spaniard, and don't give up until its resolved, sometimes its taken upwards of an hour, but activity still can be possible after one of these situations. It just takes proper handling and enough patience. That's for those that can usually do it, for those that can't do tk at all or almost never in most of the cases I've seen (including myself at one point), its always been the result of a more long term block caused by different factors that are usually highly personal. No offense is meant (and this is not directed to anyone in particular) but I think stuff like this only makes things more difficult, not impossible. I mean I've had a hell of a time with tk and considered giving up a couple times, but each issue I've jumped over so far, although usually with a ton of frustration and help from friends I think the difficulty just becomes so high that people assume that it becomes impossible. Most people won't spend 100+ minutes on a single tk practice trying to get around a block.
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Post by TC on Dec 2, 2006 1:38:25 GMT -5
Sorry, perhaps the objective of this discussion wasn't clear. My apologies. I was kinda looking for what your opinions were on a possible psionic paralysis, not other scenarios that my situation could be. It was meant as a general discussion about a possible psionic paralysis, and not my personal abilities (or lack thereof) to do telekinesis. But thank you for the reply, and I think you somewhat answered the question.
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Post by wolfdancer on Dec 2, 2006 19:05:39 GMT -5
I see what you are talking about TC. I have been looking into things such as which part of my brain seems to be activated when thinking my own thoughts vs. what is used when I am recieving telepathy. Having noticed this, I do not think it is improbable that there may be some connection between the physical and the psionic. I also remember there being a study done (I wish I could remember the specific article) that looked at a specific element of the brain that seemed to exist more in those claiming to be psionic and specifically certain areas of psionics such as precog. I will see if I can find that again. I'm not positive this is useful, but it is what I have in mind tonight so I share it. Feel free to point out if I got completely off track with this reply.
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Post by NightHawk on Dec 3, 2006 14:10:50 GMT -5
My opinion is that as long as you have a mind and eyes then you could perform TK. As long as you can IMAGINE then you could possibly perform anything. Psionics are abstract, so I think it can't be paralysis. If you can't perform TK then there would be something wrong in your motivations MAYBE. You can't perform TK while you're fed up or frustrated. How long have you been practicing TK TC?
(Pretty straight forward eh.. remember it's my OPINION, and it might be terribly wrong)
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Post by TC on Dec 3, 2006 16:06:52 GMT -5
Do you have any information to back up this opinion? It might be prudent to research a little bit and then form another opinion once you have information to back it up. I see what you're saying, but I have no problem with energy manipulation or telepathy. My areas of weakness lie in telekinesis and some forms of EM. So if I dont' have a problem believing that I can do telepathy or energy manip. then I do not believe that it's my problem for telekinesis.
Wolf, you're pretty much on the mark with the reply. Although there's one thing I think I need to clarify. I was looking for physical in relation to psionics, just as you said. But I was also looking for the possibility that someone could be completely physically healthy, but that their psionics part doesn't work.
But then I thought that since psionics is a part of us anyway, if we can't perform it, doesn't that mean we aren't in good health wherever psi originates?
So yeah, you're on the mark Wolf. Thanks for the reply, and I'll be doing some research as well.
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Post by NightHawk on Dec 4, 2006 11:58:00 GMT -5
Do you have any information to back up this opinion? That's why I was afraid to say my opinion . I don't have anything to prove it, but I consider my answer a bit logical. If you could manipulate energy, then why can't you perform TK?If you think about this question, you MIGHT see that paralysis MIGHT not be the answer. Maybe you'd say people are different and have certain strength in psionics. (Like me for an example, I know how to do PK, but I'm not good at shielding.) I'm searching and thinking for more ideas too by the way. So I'm active as well.
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Post by TC on Dec 4, 2006 16:44:28 GMT -5
I see what you're saying Nighthawk. Thanks for the reply, and don't worry about not having information to back it up. I was just asking to see if perhaps there were some references you could give me...
However, the question you had underlined is one of the things I was trying to answer or get information on in this post. Because my thought is that perhaps the part of your body that interacts with telekinetic abilities are different than that of which interacts with psi energy.
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Post by The Devil's Advocate on Dec 4, 2006 21:33:34 GMT -5
It would depend on a couple of things TC. I also have no problems believing there is a physical component of psi, what that is we haven't tracked down yet. Then again, neither do we know what every part of the brain is used for. As for paralysis, I would think it there is as much chance of it enhancing psi as detracting from it. It all depends on where that part of the brain that controls psi is, and what form of paralysis. There are so many unknowns that it’s hard to speculate beyond that it could have an effect without getting into the realms of science fiction.
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Post by wolfdancer on Dec 5, 2006 8:07:17 GMT -5
Ooo and it could be like ADD or ADHD which can actually be a benefit or a good sign, if you look at the historical evidence of people with that 'disorder' who were geniuses. There is also the possibility that a limitation in one area will enhance skill in another (i.e. a blind person often has better hearing). I don't know. Just throwing out food for thought.
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Post by NightHawk on Dec 5, 2006 15:58:59 GMT -5
the part of your body that interacts with telekinetic abilities are different than that of which interacts with psi energy. It's complicated... how long have you been trying PK anyway?.... Maybe normal methods aren't just suitable for you. Did you try more than one different way of moving anything. (Like PK with eyes only for an example.) We need a Lab here, right? I also agree with wolfd@ncer, who knows, maybe you might be the next Thomas Alva Edison.....
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Post by TC on Dec 6, 2006 19:48:45 GMT -5
Don’t let this stop you from the ideas that are flowing. I just love how this conversation is going, just keep this in the back of your mind, in case something comes up.
When I first wrote this thread, I was rather considering the possibility that someone could be paralyzed just in the ability of telekinesis, or just the ability of telepathy, etc. Like they can walk, talk, hear, see, all that jazz, but could not perform telekinesis. And then I was thinking of how this might relate to your brain. For example, the frontal lobe of your brain deals a lot with memory, planning, and executing behavior. Now, suppose a tiny part of your brain in the frontal lobe does not function properly and that just happens to be a vital part that your telepathy abilities use, but that this tiny part of your frontal lobe does not effect your body otherwise. Is it possible for someone to be paralyzed from just a psionic ability. I think the difference between my interpretation of the question and some other people’s is that some thought that physical conditions already present in the body could cause a difference in psionics.
DA and Wolf, thanks great comments. I like where you’re taking this. Perhaps we could take a few physical or mental conditions as examples to apply them to this possible “paralysis” and see what we come up with. If anyone has a physical condition, perhaps they could tell us how this effects their psionic habits, abilities, etc. It’d be interesting to compare results.
With the example you gave about ADHD, Wolf, I’d say you’re right on the mark. Attention Deficit Hyper Disorder would probably contribute to psionics, enabling you to apply the abilities with more force or exert yourself better. I think I’ve heard somewhere that with telekinesis, you can only lift how much you can lift with your physical body. If so, this would show the relationship between your body and psionics.
Again, Nighthawk, the point of this discussion is not to figure out what is wrong with my own abilities. It is to discuss the idea which was posed at the beginning of the thread, that has now somewhat grown into a better discussion. I'm not trying to figure out some good techniques. I can do that on my own. I'm trying to see what people think about the idea of psionic paralysis. I appreciate the suggestions, but it's not part of this discussion.
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Post by innerfire on Dec 6, 2006 21:14:49 GMT -5
Unfortunately, we don't even know what makes most of psionics work to begin with, a discussion on what could make certain aspects of it *not* work i think is far out of our league. We can't look at what parts of the brain might not be firing because we don't know exactly what parts of the brain *should* be firing :\
While it would be great to theorize about this, my doom-saying side must say that anyone that's been brick-walled on a certain psychic ability probably should be staying away from this thread. While the idea of Psionic Paralysis is debatable, the unfortunate thing is to participate in the debate and do anything short of declaring the idea rediculous obvious entertains its possibility (that's the duh part), so doing that can make the idea that you yourself cannot do 'x' ability more reasonable to your subconcious, and increase the effect of the block. In most cases, you only say or do things when you have at least some vague confidence in the possibility of something being true. So by considering the idea of the possibility of psionic paralysis you can be weakening yourself. Sounds close-minded I know but its the unfortunate truth of the situation.
So while the subject of this thread does not relate directly to any particular person's mental blocks, participation in this thead can effect them. Again, this isn't directed specifically at TC, just a general statement.
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Post by TC on Dec 7, 2006 21:06:43 GMT -5
Gotchya. Good points innerfire. Lol, although I wasn't suggesting that we attempt to find out the keys to psionics. I was looking more on the side of someone who may have like ADHD or something might be able to do a certain psionic ability with more accuracy and efficiency than most. I was trying to look more at the positive physical conditions so that problem wouldn't occur. I'm not trying to take leaps that I know I can't take.
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Post by NightHawk on Dec 10, 2006 14:14:05 GMT -5
Don’t let this stop you from the ideas that are flowing. I just love how this conversation is going, just keep this in the back of your mind, in case something comes up. Again, Nighthawk, the point of this discussion is not to figure out what is wrong with my own abilities. It is to discuss the idea which was posed at the beginning of the thread, that has now somewhat grown into a better discussion. I'm not trying to figure out some good techniques. I can do that on my own. I'm trying to see what people think about the idea of psionic paralysis. I appreciate the suggestions, but it's not part of this discussion. I didn't realize that you wanted the discussion and topic itself and not the solution, Sorry
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