Energy fuel?

[snowballrox]

Is it possible to use energy from sources like the sun or the moon to fuel your body? Maybe so you can reduce sleep time? I know that this is probobly a stupid question. The energy used for psiballs is psi energy. How is that different than the energy restored by sleep?

[innerfire]

It depends on your belief system. Most of the time in psionics, the sun and the moon are just considered to be big things floating in space. I've never seen how you could get any kind of psychic energy out of them. However some New Age and Wiccan beliefs talk about doing this, I'm not going to judge whether they're right or wrong, just mentioning that.

On sleep time, probably not. Psychic energy and physical energy do share a relationship and one can overlap onto the other sometimes, but at the same time sleep does a lot more than recover energy. A lot of things go to work, particularly your body makes use of the time you're unconscious to repair parts of the brain. There are also certain other physical processes only done while you're asleep. This plays a big part in why people tend to get sick and even sometimes *die* if they go for too long without sleep -_- There's 1-2 notable exceptions of people that don't need to sleep, but those few are considered to be very strange deviations from the norm.

[confuded]

Some voodoo and Indian people (no offense i just don't know enough about them) can not sleep and eat using some spiritual energies. This question goes deeply into religion.

In theory, everything is possible. Just the question is how. Please, before posting questions like "is it possible..." either search the forums, google and apply brain power before asking . Just a note...

~confuded

P.S. Your question goes beyond the scope of Psionics by the way .

[The Devil's Advocate]

Confuded: Please do not state unsubstantiated rumor like this... It tends to muddy the issue rather than clarify.

As far as pure psionics goes: You can draw on ambient psi. Ambient psi is ambient psi. The only difference 'location' really makes on ambient psi is in lingering effects on an area, usually emotional. (There are other things that can impact how 'useful' ambient psi is, but that's a discussion for the advanced boards and well beyond the scope of this)

Is there ambient psi on the moon? I've never been there, but I've no reason to think there isn't, and I've never had cause to scan that far. But even there you're not drawing power directly FROM the moon. Neither are you likely to be able to directly tap into the sun's fusion reactions and draw energy directly from that, any more than you can use sunlight to sing opera.

~The Devil's Advocate

[confuded]

Sorry about that . just posting some reference, all do it does seem to muddy things up and is not that relevant...

~confuded

[snowballrox]

Im confused. (AGAIN!) Psipog.net says on their psiball article to get energy from places like the sun and moon. Are you saying that Psipog is inaccurate?

[psionicstorm]

it may not be entirely accurate.
it may help people visualize.
However, DA, and Confuded, what is the "psionic" realm? does it deal strictly with areas that cannot be explained? Look at people who can go stand in the ice naked and can be steaming. look at Body Talk and Traditional Chinese Medicine. My sister had problems with her back, and nobody could help her until one doctor said outright "the only thing i can think of is acupuncture", which deals with chakras and bodily energy points or whatever you want to call it. So she went and got fixed up.
so i think it doesnt go into religion at all. If that goes into religion, then that would mean psionics is a religion, and it isnt, or i'm getting out of here. Just because you cant explain something doesnt make it religion...

[The Devil's Advocate]

Acupuncture, the technique, deals with nerve clusters. Some of the philosophies surrounding acupuncture may delve into religion. Getting too deep into those philosophies without approval would be contraindicated, but doesn't mean we can't discuss acupuncture itself.

Now for the rest of it, the psionic relm is hard to define, largely because we don't know what psi is, specifically. We guess, we speculate, we make observations, but for the moment we're just carefully stalking closer and closer to an answer we don't have one yet. For the purposes of this site, psi is a type of energy. What we do with that energy is the scope of our discussion. The commonly accepted applications are making constructs, empathy, telepathy, remote viewing, precognition, telekinesis, and healing. Things beyond that can be asked about if you're careful and polite, and we'll let you know if it's within the scope of what we deal with or not.

~The Devil's Advocate

[psionicstorm]

Ok well i'm gonna throw this out there then.

If we consider psi as energy, then what kind of energy? if we say its psionic energy, then thats one of those "no duh" circular statements. Can other energy be "converted" to psi? Or is it just the energy from people (call it "spiritual", "emotional", whatever you want)? If it is, that sets a ethical question up, "when is it OK to use ambient energy, and how can we tell its ambient?". and separates psychokinesis from energy manipulation. Does anyone have any theories? viewpoints?

[The Devil's Advocate]

PK/TK is separate from energy manipulation because it manipulates the physical world. You are using psi to manipulate an object.

The general assumption is Psi is a form of energy. We're not entirely certain what KIND of energy because we can't measure it directly, but through scanning (that is using psi to detect psionic effects) we can make some observations. Scanning and awareness can tell you where ambient psi is and what the local concentration is. As you get better with scanning you can actually start observing psi itself. The energy has characteristics, much like you can observe different affects of light and draw conclusions about the environments that must have been present to cause that effect. Empathy helps a great deal, as many of the 'taints' seem to have an empathic component. Though I will DA myself here: It could just be I pick up on the empathic component of the taint better because I am an empath. For the most part Ambient energy is 'safe' to use, though using it in too great quantities can cause strain, how much strain depends on the individual. Once you've got a good base awareness 'dangerous' areas tend to be glaringly obvious, though it's very difficult to describe in direct terms how it is so.

~The Devil's Advocate

[leodragon]

Aug 3, 2008 9:26:52 GMT -5 snowballrox said:

Is it possible to use energy from sources like the sun or the moon to fuel your body? Maybe so you can reduce sleep time? I know that this is probobly a stupid question. The energy used for psiballs is psi energy. How is that different than the energy restored by sleep?

I personally believe that concepts such as taking energy from the sun or the moon are just paradigms that allows the mind to actually grasp the concept of manipulating said energy from a source within or a nearer and there. I don't see a way that energy can be transfered through space, instantly and without a medium, that is unless you want to go into different dynamics, but that is more or so information being sent from one place to the other. An explanation of this is entanglement, but I am too tired to go into the details of that.

I think this concept works somewhat like visualization and somewhat aids in the manipulation of psi, but doesn't directly cause the results, especially, in literal ways. For example, someone may think of a hand reaching out from their chest to affect something, but a hand is not literally reaching out of their chest.

It is possible to take energy from an outside source, though. The concept of taking it from a celestial body, to me at least, is a way for the mind to grasp that concept and take in the ambient energy or whatever you to call it in that area or for a way for a person to access the energy already in them.

For me, heavy work with psi makes me VERY hungry. Food helps me replenish it. Things high in sugar help very much. I think that is probably why I have such a sweet tooth. Sleep helps a lot to.

I have taken in energy from external sources to keep me awake when dead tired, but it doesn't replace the need for sleep; rather it is like drinking an energy drink, caffeine, or a lot of cofee. You crash in the long run.