EM Magic & Astral

[robotgymnast]

I want to move into EM (Energy Manipulation) magic (not psi) and astral projection. Any help on: energy signatures, sensing energy, EM magic or other magic, and/or astral projection would be greatly appreciated. thanks!

[wolfdancer]

What the #$*! Now? You have a few days of experience with psiballs and you want to move to magic and astral projection? No. The best advice I can offer is don't. I have seen it tear too many of my friends to pieces and they had much more experience than you. I know you probably don't believe me, but it is not something to play with. It is not even advised for those with many years of experience and reasonable skill.

This site is focused on psionics and I would like to keep our discussions to that. There are plenty of other communities where you can seek advice on magic or such things. In the past it has been our policies that these topics be discussed in Debate & Discussion or possibly in the Advanced section. You might search these to find the opinions and experiences of those here. However, this is not appropriate for General Psionics Talk since you are not wishing to discuss psionics.

~Wolfd@ncer~

[robotgymnast]

Yeah, you're right I don't believe you. I have two very experienced mentors. Also, Psionics CAN deal with the astral plane. Magick IS different, but EM magick is based on the same things, it's just different methods, they're essentially the same in base.

[leodragon]

Yes and no. Magick and psionics are very closely related to the point of being the same thing and psionics does have to do with the Astral. Everything else you were wrong about. I don't want to get in trouble for going to deep into this, but magick is the conforming of reality with Will, This is accomplished by aligning the ethereal realm, the world of ideals and ideas, the astral, the mental, and the physical realms so that the idea, which stems from one's Will, has a direct impact upon the physical. Psionics focuses on the mental level and touches a little bit upon the astral (psionics if focused on perceiving things directly with consiousness or affecting matter with consiousness which makes up reality).

You are referring to the different models when you were talking about energy manipulation in magick. It is the Energy model, which does have a similar base to energy as described in psionics.

In its pure form, however, the shaman or magician is not in need of spirits and other entities. The world is viewed as being "vitalized" by subtle forces or energies and his primary task consists in mastering the art of perceiving and manipulating them. As all phenomena are basically energetic in nature, the existence of an otherworld is not strictly required. Thus, the magician is more of an "energy dancer" than a "fence rider" or go-between. But even here the key to the perception, charging and general utilization of these forces is again the magical trance or, as Chaos Magic terms it, gnosis.

Theories and practices pertaining to the energy model can be found with many magical authors but it has seen its real, large scale popularity only since the seventies of our century when the general influx of Eastern thinking (pace the Hippie movement) made concepts such as chakra and kundalini work a mainstay of most occult disciplines. Strong energy model elements can also be found in Franz Bardon's system of "electromagnetic fluids", "condensators" etc.

www.chaosmatrix.org/library/chaos/texts/model.html#energy

This is the definition of sorcery:

Sorcery is the systematic cultivation of enhanced consciousness, or non-ordinary awareness, and its deployment in the world of deeds and objects to bring about desired results. Sorcery works at creating around itself a psychic/ physical space or openings into a space of untrampled expression. These involves the manipulation of symbols (which are also things) and of people (which are also symbolic). The archetypes supply a vocabulary of this, as such, they are treated as if they were both real and unreal.

In other words, it revolves around creating an opening through manipulating thought forms or archetype to create things within thats sphere of manifestation. Psionics works within that same "psychic" space. A shield is nothing more than a thought form, held together by energy a lot of times. The consiousness and thought of the psion shape the energy, on that level, into something that they can use, The thought construct of the person, their Will, programs the shield or psionic construct for x, y, and z.

In fact there are tons of laws in that area that explain the dynamics of magick that closely resemble the dynamics on which psionics works and a little bit of physics and quantum physics. All of this is one branch, however. This is energy manipulation and magick on the "psychic" level. There is a whole nother branch that I know not to go into on the board. I hope that I did not bend or break any rules in responding to this post like this.

I find it hard to believe that at the age of 15 that you had "experienced" mentor's, and if they were experienced, they would have explained the dynamics to you long ago and you would not be looking for help on getting started on this board.

[Stony1205]

May 30, 2008 7:32:10 GMT -5 robotgymnast said:

Yeah, you're right I don't believe you. I have two very experienced mentors. Also, Psionics CAN deal with the astral plane. Magick IS different, but EM magick is based on the same things, it's just different methods, they're essentially the same in base.

It is those methods that I do not necessarily agree with, and therefore, will not discuss on this website, which is based in psionic discussion. There are many good communities which talk fluently about Magick, but this isn't one of them. Despite what YOUR definition is, mine is the one that creates the rules. Sorry man.

In your defense, the PAP isn't posted, so I'm not going to initiate any punishments or anything like that.

Also, ditto what leodragon said.

~ Stony

[robotgymnast]

I could continue to argue, but okay sry stony