Physical Shield Probability: Cnt'd?

[kendoshin]

Since the thread is dead (more than two months old since the last reply); I'd open a new thread just to be safe. I'm assuming that you have all read the older thread and THEN came back to read through here.

1) To continue the thread; I personally think Wolfd@ncer is right. My shield is only able to divert dust and pet danders (I'd be attacked by asthma if I forgot to program my shield to do so); and nothing more heavier than that. It couldn't also deflect these miniscule particles if it is present at a quite high concentraion in the air (Learned that one when I went to visit a farm on a field trip). One more thing, please be reminded that I'm NOT testing my shield again by purposely standing within a cloud of thick smoke only to find out that it couldn't filter all the smoke out; I'd be sick on bed for at least a few WEEKS (I'm very sensitive to airborne particles).

2) I've never had an accident before; so this is what I could conclude (in this empty mind of mine). Panic gives you a boost of momentary psi-power, but it seems funny why one should direct the power to one's shield rather than using it directly to push away all projectiles or maybe him/herself away from danger? Instantaneous reflex made him/her direct energy to the shield? Maybe, but I think it is more sensible to actively direct the energy on the surroundings, rather than focusing it on a shield. (A shield isn't known to affect things physically rather than TK, anyway).

[confuded]

Can you please provide a link to the previous post, I am 'confuded' .

So you are making a shield that will protest you from certain disease? Sort of a force bubble?

[kendoshin]

As for the link, it's here:

psionlinebb.proboards100.com/index.cgi?board=shield&action=display&thread=1179019314

Well, not actually disease; but air particles that stimulate my asthma. For now, I'm going to give a picture on how my shield looks like:

1) Instead of bubble shield, I made an ICE shield (started with a bubble shield, then I kinda of imagine it freezing over). I programmed this one to filter my allergens.

2) That done, I made two holes, plastered with leaves (last year's residual energy, reinforced from time to time because I missed some of the old ways of imagining things). These leaves are woven so that I could let energy flow in and out from time to time for practice or etc. (Borrowed that idea from FrozenFlames). Please be reminded that these leaves come in a variety of shapes and sizes, so don't ask me how I'd manage to weave them with those typical leaves you are imagining in your head. (Precognition? Guess not.)

3) Next, I made a second layer of shield; which I imagine as wind, blowing leaves around me. I programmed it so that even if dust particles went through the first shield, it'd be somehow trapped in the wind and blown out quickly of the first shield.

That being said, I'd say yes to the second question; it's a variation of a force bubble.

[The Devil's Advocate]

You've contradicted yourself in a couple of places, Kendoshin. You're also underestimating the amount of energy required to do any of the things you're discussing. Microscopic particles exert only the very tiniest of forces, requiring little more energy to divert the lot of them than, say, spin a psi wheel (generic guestimate). To divert something such as injury in a car accident you must actively counter the momentum of the car. Now if you're wearing your seat belt some of this momentum is taken care of, but there is a delay on it. Momentum is vectoral energy of motion. Which means to 'cushion' yourself you need to counter that energy. By the laws of relative motion. You are 'part of the car' for as long as friction holds you. When friction ceases to hold you, your velocity is the same as the car's was BEFORE it stops. If you try and cushion only yourself your velocity times your mass is the force you need to stop yourself. Now sudden stops are what makes you go splat in the first place so add an extra level of finesse to create a GRADUATED system of force that cuts the momentum without just replacing what you ran into... And you start to get some idea of the issues you have trying to negate that kind of force.

Now for the Stopping Projectiles, model.

There are a couple ways to do this. You can apply force directly or at an angle. Deflection is usually more energy efficient than blocking. You must absorb all of the energy (as transmitted into force when it strikes what you want to block it) of said projectile. Again: Mass X velocity. Getting into the mechanics of vector based forces is more complicated, but diverting the mass, while easier, still requires a significant application of force at the proper angle.

What does all this add up to? Frankly that even if you CAN do TK... you're not necessarily going to be strong enough even desperate to do a thing about it... unless you're someone like Rainsong, but she is an exception NOT the rule. And, I would hazard, she has more experience with TK than anyone currently on this site.

~The Devil's Advocate

[confuded]

Anyways, how good are you in TK? Can you move a psi wheel (spin around with no problem)?

DA, did I get you correctly: making particles go around you is easier than blocking them?

[The Devil's Advocate]

Confuded. Get your hands on a physics text book, one that deals with vectoral motion. I've explained this before and really don't want to go through the first semester of college level algebra. I was not unclear. I flat out SAID that it was easier to divert. Please do not ask if I said what I said. If you don't get it go back, reread and ask for clarification, don't just say "Did you say this" when all you have to do is scroll up to see that YES it's right there in print.

~The Devil's Advocate

[confuded]

I know the basics of motion and some basic formulas ;D (8th grade US level). I just don't want to misunderstand people , but you are correct about rereading the post; stupid me .

[goliath797]

Now now DA dont be so harsh

Nobody likes a mean philosopher

[rayndragon06]

I wouldn't call them shields. I can create a small force to either neutralize, absorb, or deflect somethings. I was walking while it was raining and there was wind everywhere. I was with my boyfriend. I was getting tired of the wind so I kind of created kind of a barrier or force ahead of me so that the and rain (the rain is getting blown in my face by the wind) would go on either side of me. It went around me and hit my boyfriend full in the face. He was mad. LOL. Normally it is only a three second or two second thing. It is not like I can hold PK umbrella over me or something.

If a projectile is coming at me, and I am scared, my instincts take over. The object gets deflected and misses me. It depends on how big the object is, how hard its coming, and fast it is coming whether or not that works.

I can not hold like a physical PK physical force shield thingie, though. That takes too much effort and balancing all the forces involved would be too much of a strain. I can create one going one way to repel something. But to absorb it on all sides at once with exactly the right force would be just to much.

I think this is a combination of my martial arts training and PK. I practice Hapkido. What it is about is redirecting force. Whenever you block someone in martial arts you take damage as well. It takes more effort to block a blow then to divert and redirect it. You have what are called soft martial arts which are defensive and hard martial arts which are more offensive. Mu Thai would be a hard martial art. Hapkido soft. on It is all about center. The goal is to keep your center while drawing out the center of your opponent. You draw out their center, unbalance them, and take hold of their force and redirect it with your own so you move as one. Hapkido incorporates the use of ki in its practice, Ki is drawn from the center with a hap (a yell) and is used to reinforce blows. Hapkido uses the concept of meridians. Each meridian is connected to an internal organ. By interrupting the meridian with pressure and ki, you can affect that organ. It focuses on circle movements to build force and the re directive properties of water.

Anyways, a while ago I got jumped. I was sitting on a stoop minding my own business, and this dude comes by and kicks me in the face as hard as he can. I was sitting down and he was standing up. He hit me with enough force to shatter my jaw and it knocked a few feet. Internally, I kind of used a weird version of PK to cushion the blow to my jaw to keep it from breaking and I allowed the force of his blow to carry me a few feet, without resisting it, so that I would be able to find some type of balance to land on my feet. It was off of pure instinct. I kind of spread the force out so it wouldn't cause that much damage at one point in my face, I am not sure about the rest of my body. It could be my body naturally handling the force from his blow or maybe my mind had a hand in it.

>>>I am looking into Akido, it seems interesting. I want to get into Tai Jit Su, but I can not find anyone around here who teaches it for a cheap price. I got some books on it and I am trying to teach myself, but that is not working so well. I am also looking into acrobatics, but again, I can not find anywhere cheap enough and I do not have the time.<<< Missalenous information, do not focus on it.

[kendoshin]

Yeah, frankly, it's more to diverting. Look, it may be confusing in the last post, but I wanted to clarify that I don't make the particles fly tragically or teleported to the other end of the room; it's more like it bounces off or move away from my shield as I pass through, or in most cases, as the wind blows it through me. So yes, its more like diverting it. And my shield has the program to refill itself from ambient psi if I don't have time to refill it myself, so I don't have to use my own energy to divert the allergens away.

P/S: As for the psiwheel, I managed to make it move sometimes, but I'm trying to improve at it.