What can PK do?

[prodigy]

SomeBody, correct me if im wrong. But PK is the ability to have an influence on matter. such as de-constructing an object, or constructing an object. Again i may be completly wrong. Im still new to PK.

[The Devil's Advocate]

In all honesty we're not sure where the absolute limits on PK are. Most people I have heard of do not get beyond pencil rolling before they get distracted and stop developing the skill. I've heard of geisting moving larger objects. Rainsong (one of the most experienced psions in the field of PK/TK) tells the story of cushioning herself in a car accident, but in the quote I saw (I have not had the opportunity to speak with her directly unfortunately) she admitted that was a bit extreme even for her, and attributed it to something of a 'panic reflex'. So we have some tentatively defined practical limits, where we will go from here is much less certain.

My own current limits within PK are restricted to healing. Much of what I have done with healing cannot, logically, be accounted for outside of PK, but I have trouble with other applications. (Partly due to lack of attempts, partly due to the fact usual course my abilities take, and the potential that lays in that direction. aka: Me+pK scares me enough I don't let myself do much with it.)

~The Devil's Advocate

[prodigy]

Possibly they could yes.

[The Devil's Advocate]

The theoretical possibility does exist, but I would be hard pressed to believe anyone currently practicing is capable of it.

~The Devil's Advocate

[goliath797]

If Criss angel is real, then he is one of the few powerful psions who have shown no limits

If he's a fake, well screw him psionics = god in a way

Edit : No, actually for me personally i cant use visualization for PK

[The Devil's Advocate]

From all accounts, Chris Angel is NOT for real. He's a showman, not a psion, and a very good example of why 'show the world!' plots are not going to work at this juncture. Pretty much any stage illusionist worth his salt (and the ones that aren't but have video cameras and video editing software) can fake anything we claim to do.

~The Devil's Advocate

[goliath797]

Well think about it, more then 75% of criss angels work is related to psionics... the other 25% is illusionist. Things such as the part where he gets the ring to slide off the mannequins finger, that could be done by any psion here if they practiced long enough, it doesnt require editing. What if he just uses editing as an excuse, and really uses psionics? Hence his name "mindfreak" o.O

[The Devil's Advocate]

I have thought about it, and I have trouble believing ANY of his work is actually psionics related and not pure showmanship. You say anyone here could do the same thing... So can any 2bit stage magician. Making people wonder sells. The name sells. He is a performer. He is out to sell a show that people want to buy, same as David Copperfield, Sigfreid and Roy, the Ringling Brothers. I say again, I have a great deal of trouble believing there is anything at ALL psionic about him.

~The Devil's Advocate

[hobbes]

Criss Angel...I'd have to agree. His show is entertaining, but what he does is easily pulled off through illusions and editing.

What can PK do? Meh, like everyone here has said, its limits are unknown at the moment...maybe someday psionic abilities will become mainstream, actual research will be done, and we will realize that by doing A, B, and C, we really are able to lift cars with our minds. But for now, that doesn't seem very realisitic. However, PK isn't limited to moving objects...you could concievably start and stop fires by speeding up/slowing down microscopic particles, and (though very unlikely, as this would fall under the 'lift boulder with mind' category) perhaps even "fly" on top of exceptionally strong force bubbles.

Of course, don't go having delusions of grandeur...right now, moving a pencil is still a pretty monumental feat.

[gumby]

NI could slide chairs. I dont think there is really a limit. I know lots of people who can slide things. And it doesnt take 10 mins of focused concentration either. :-) I can move a psiwheel in a second. I've moved other stuff too.

[innerfire]

I believe we've talked about this before, but anyways: I'm pretty sure there has to be some sort of logical limit. Conservation of energy - energy can neither be created nor removed. The energy used for PK has to come from somewhere, which means it can run out at some point. It's a limit that is probably a non-issue for most people since they lose to the mental obstacles of not being confident enough to lift large objects before energy use becomes a concern.

However there is probably going to be a problem with lifting people, boulders, etc.

NOTE: For you that guys really want to look forward, it doesn't mean heavy lifting with PK is impossible, I just suspect that there is a point where the average human physiology cannot sustain it as is, just like the average person can't lift several hundred pounds. But just like the physical lifting, it is possible to build up one's psionic energy capacity and generation ability. Now to what extent one can take that is unknown due to limited work on the subject.