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Sept 13, 2006 5:11:05 GMT -5
Post by Illyrianna on Sept 13, 2006 5:11:05 GMT -5
After being gently bumped back into line by DA, Ive read the forum from top to bottom.... And.... well it still didn't help answering my question....and besides its not the only question i have So here they are: 1) A year ago (more or less) i was having an OBE (actually it was three times in an evening, and i wasn't even trying), but the problem is i would stay out there for few seconds and then something would kick me back into my body,literally!I would feel like I'm falling and would flicker a bit... i asked my friend what was wrong, and he said i might be having some problems with chackras, i don't know if thats true or not... so i stopped doing it, just for safety reasons... anyway, now, a year later, i tried again, could manage to get only to the awake/asleep border, but not any further. furthermore, i do have some physical problems (a heart defect) anyway, i thought this might also make some problems.... 2) I have a problem visualizing psi in my abdomen and chest (actually any part of the body, except for the head).... On the other hand i can easily see psi pooling up between my hands, and i would feel a tingling sensation. Therefore practically making a psi ball right? Ive got many more of questions, but cant think of them now, and I'm running out of time... so, if any of you can give me any opinions, ideas etc. that would be great! forgive me if i made some grammar/spelling mistakes, for I'm not from an English speaking territory... and while where at it, why not use this thread for newbie questions?
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Sept 13, 2006 7:00:55 GMT -5
Post by The Devil's Advocate on Sept 13, 2006 7:00:55 GMT -5
Takeing them one at a time.
1) If you've read the forum from top to bottom you already know my views on OBE and have read about several of the inhernent dangers. If you have a heart condition ask yourself this: Do you really WANT to strain your body that far mucking about with OBEs? I can tell you from experience you don't have to go OBE to garner ANY information that you can't get with a scan or remote viewing and some practice.
2) Visualizations are visualizations. They are not Psi. Have you read Cullen's Energy Manipulation article on this site? It's one of the more practical guides I have read. Pooled psi does not a psiball make, though it is the first major step for most newbies. The next step is to give the pool structure of some sort. Try one of Cullen's excercises as well just to practice working with that which we call psi. If you can see it in your hands have it flow up one arm across your shoulders and down the other back into your hands, just to practice making it do what you want it to do.
Ask other questions as they occure to you, and if I use any terms with which you are unfamiliar let me know. You're doing a marvelous job so far with the language. I know how hard it can be to work in another language. I'm still trying to get my Russian up to a level of proficiency where I can do that.
~The Devil's Advocate
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Sept 13, 2006 11:57:43 GMT -5
Post by Illyrianna on Sept 13, 2006 11:57:43 GMT -5
1) thanx for the answer, ill try to stay away from OBEing... but this question was about an OBE that i didnt try to have, i was actually trying to sleep! anyway caution noted.... 2) yet again thanks for clearing up whats psi pooling, and whats a psi ball.... i tried to make something, hehe and ended up with a nose bleeding.... i know its not a laughing matter, so ill take a few days off... and my english isnt so good, i correct it with a spell check... i make a few mistakes here or there... and more questions on the way when i get home... im using a school comp right now
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Sept 14, 2006 0:27:42 GMT -5
Post by ryakoth on Sept 14, 2006 0:27:42 GMT -5
thats not good, i suggest using less energy if its bleeding for overuse, when and why does it bleed?
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Sept 14, 2006 4:30:31 GMT -5
Post by Illyrianna on Sept 14, 2006 4:30:31 GMT -5
thats not good, i suggest using less energy if its bleeding for overuse, when and why does it bleed? I think i managed to make a psi ball, since i could feel its bubbly surface, then again i might be wrong Don't worry, i had a good solid 18 years to test my physical limits, so i guess its mental testing turn ;D Edit: I hate double posting, so ill just continue here.... though I'm not sure if anyone will notice... I believe I'm a natural at empathy (if that is the right word to call it ), i know its a very bold thing to say, but i do have some proofs...... 5 years ago (or so...) me and my brother couldn't stand eachother... we would fight about every teeny weeny thing.... long story short now we are practically thinking as one: i think about something, he writes it, says it, makes it happen....and vice versa... we practically finish each others sentences... i didn't notice this until me and my brother had to do an operation (don't worry, it wasn't anything death serious, and, well my brother has exactly the same heart problems as i do)... so anyway i was first to go to that operation (due to my heart problems i am short sighted, because of lack of oxygen, same goes for my brother), anyway before i went i couldn't see what time it is on the clock that was on the wall of my hospital room, it was all smudgy. So i had that operation, and when they brought me back, i looked at the clock, and i was like:"Wow, i can actually see the clock" ( in order for the anesthetic to work properly, the doctors have to fill your lungs with oxygen, hence the better vision ) anyway, at that time, my brother was already on the operating table... they didn't let me get up for at least 3 hours, to make sure i was ok... so half an hour later more-less my brother was brought in a separate room from me, my mother went to check if he was alright... and when she came back she said: "Do you know whats the first thing your brother said?" "He said he could see the clock!" It might be an accident, but i don't really think so... Anyway, that doesn't have to mean I'm a natural at empathy, it could mean my brother is But lately there were weird things going on with other people around me... Few days ago we were having a computer class, anyway we were learning Delphi pascal... So, we had to put two buttons on the screen and make them move each other. So i thought to myself: " Should i name this second button "little button" ?", i changed my mind and just named it B2... So i look at my neighbors computer to see if he can manage to keep up, and then i saw he named his second button "little button" I'm 100% certain i didn't tell him to name it like that, i didn't type it on my screen either... Sometimes people are repeating my thoughts - word for word! I was always uncomfortable with more than 3 people in the room, i don't even know how do i survive a school day! So the question is this: how do i make it slow down at least? It must be draining my energy like crazy... its not like I'm trying to do it or anything... Gee that was a long edit...tried to shorten it as much as i could
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Sept 15, 2006 5:30:26 GMT -5
Post by lunin on Sept 15, 2006 5:30:26 GMT -5
Well, I can't tell you if its empathy or not, but I can give a bit of advice that has worked for me when dealing with too many people. First off, you said you were able to focus in your head well (or so I gathered from your earlier post) so try to focus a bit of energy (doesn't take a lot) up there and 'push' everything outward. I put the push in ''s because I don't know what the proper term/normal technique for this would be.
Anyway, once you have all that interfering junk far enough away to clear your head (shouldn't be too far, smaller = easier to maintain solidly for me at least) re-establish your sense of self, allow yourself to focus on your own thoughts for a moment and the lack of mental noise. If you can, set the wall you made by pushing out the junk earlier by simply not allowing it to contract without taking down the rest, kind of like an arch or a dome. And that will do it. This is also a great way to focus in a chaotic environment, and fairly quick too once you get good at it. (if you can't get the wall to set, that pushing out will also allow you to regain the focus on your own thoughts in comparison to others so even with the junk, you can still function easily provided you don't get too distracted)
Hope that helps.
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Sept 15, 2006 5:40:09 GMT -5
Post by Illyrianna on Sept 15, 2006 5:40:09 GMT -5
yeah, thanks, but i actually have to work on my focus... i can only hold it for a minute or so, and then i get distracted... thats exactly how i got the nose bleed few days ago, i just kept trying and trying and wasting energy.... Boy that was stupid maybe when i manage to make a regular shield then ill try your style and see if it works out (thought you do waste a bit of energy for your shield if i remember correctly)... but I'm still on a break today, so no psi pooling and similar stunts till midnight that nosebleed got me a bit worried, since i never ever had a nose bleed.... and the weird thing is.... not even 12 hours later, my brother also got a nose bleed...
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Sept 15, 2006 6:19:46 GMT -5
Post by lunin on Sept 15, 2006 6:19:46 GMT -5
One thing to keep in mind when making any type of shield, its not how much energy you put into it, its how you use it. You sound like you may have a bit of the problems shelling that I have (No idea why I have the problems. I can do it, I just can't do it very well and I usually end up working around it rather than fixing it) Just project some energy but leave it out there, don't add more, but don't let it leave and don't let it come back. You don't have to hold it long as just a little bit of time will allow you to compose yourself in a chaotic environment. You just have to get your mind to release them all so they can be pushed away easily (and yes, I also mean your own thoughts at that moment) Then you get the chance to compose yourself. I know its easier said than done, but with a little work (after that break period of course) you can clear your head in a few seconds of concentration. I had to do this while at work dealing with a few thousand emotionally charged people a day, and it was either do it fast or not do it at all, heh.
Also, don't be afraid to experiment with it, don't push it to a nosebleed, but figure out what works best for you, often the same technique will cure a stress headache as you push your stress out as well (kind of like pushing yourself into a flash meditation briefly so you can keep your thoughts separate afterwords)
Good luck with it!
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Sept 15, 2006 12:02:47 GMT -5
Post by The Devil's Advocate on Sept 15, 2006 12:02:47 GMT -5
It also helps if you want to put up a long term shield and are NOT practiced at shielding, to go to a place that is psionically quiet then try and establish a shield. Libraries and Churches/Temples/etc tend to be psionically more quiet. The lack of distraction tends to help. (Note: I am not debating the actual religions here, I am simply stating that in my experience these LOCATIONS tend to be much 'quieter' on a psionic level.)
As a very strong natural empath, it is quite possible you are a natural empath. The other possibility is you are a natural TELEPATH, which is a slightly different set of processes. What you describe could very easily be either. A simple concept that worked for me in the early stages of my own shielding: Gather psi, however you perceive that, and thin and 'harden' it into a shell around yourself and make it periminant. How? Tell it to be so. Alas Psi isn't a thing of hammers and nails. You have to, in your mind, have the concept fixed that it is perminant and it is protecting you, so it will do so. (The joys of a very subjective science.)
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Sept 15, 2006 14:58:12 GMT -5
Post by Illyrianna on Sept 15, 2006 14:58:12 GMT -5
Well i know what my problems are: I cant focus correctly (actually thats my fault only, i tried to train my brain to remember things better, by just letting it wander, you know, the first answer that pops up is the correct one), and with being a natural empath/telepath, its not a very good idea, so ill have to clean up that mess first... Then ill have to work on my energy channeling and visualization problems... jeez thats gonna be a week full of work at least... And well my another problem is that i cant find a quiet place... i cant just lock myself in a room, because i have a very loud parrot as a pet , and my whole house wreaks with bad memories....and a first library is like 3 miles away.... Ill just have to manage something.... Gather psi, however you perceive that, and thin and 'harden' it into a shell around yourself and make it periminant. I wanted to ask lunin what shelling is, but i guess DA answered that one, as well as one how to program a construct to just sit there for a while (or forever)... As for religion, no sweat, i always say: " let me believe in what i want and ill let you do the same" Well ill say you both earned an exalt ;D your made of gold! Oh, one more question, when you make your shields, do you make them like 1meter around you or closer to you, like an inch or something? i suppose the first is the answer, since its more logical regarding aura... and i suppose i could have read this in one of the articles (>>>being stupid here<<<)
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Sept 17, 2006 17:49:13 GMT -5
Post by The Devil's Advocate on Sept 17, 2006 17:49:13 GMT -5
This is actually not technically shelling. This is just a visualization that I've found commonly works. Make them a 'comfortable' distance. Mine sit anywhere from half an arm's length to a full arms length out depending on what the shield does and which layer. (I haven't had just a basic shield in a while.) Some of the articles would help you with this, but there aren't a huge number on this site about how shields work. Read my visualization article, and Cullen's energy manipulation articles, those should give you some pointers. It takes a little practice and a little trail and error, but you'll get it. ~The Devil's Advocate
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Sept 18, 2006 0:21:17 GMT -5
Post by lunin on Sept 18, 2006 0:21:17 GMT -5
I've made a shield as small as just right around my head before for a quick empathic wall, usually under another shield that I make that isn't quite as good against emotions n' such (makes it nice and quiet in my mind, heh).
Size really doesn't matter, just go with whatever works (which of course means you need to toy with it a bit) but reading up on stuff never hurts.
Another thing for the focus, if its trouble holding the concentration for long enough, practice forming things quickly instead, I know it helped me.
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Sept 18, 2006 6:20:57 GMT -5
Post by The Devil's Advocate on Sept 18, 2006 6:20:57 GMT -5
*nods to Lunin* I tried that once. I tend to get claustrophobic if my shields get any closer, or if I make them completely impermeable. Something to watch out for eventually Illyrianna, but for now just get the shield up. You can tweak once you have the basics up.
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Sept 18, 2006 8:58:15 GMT -5
Post by Illyrianna on Sept 18, 2006 8:58:15 GMT -5
@ DA Hehe first of all, call me Illy, its a lot easier than the whole name...
Soooo.... What is shelling technically?
Ill try to vary the distance of the shield when i make one... And also i will read some of the articles, here or on PsiPog or some other site, man i feel like a sponge...Ive read Cullen's article, but not yours, is it new or something? I would surely notice it... I don't think i will get claustrophobia... But you never know right? And could you clear out the word impermeable? is it like impenetrable? sure sounds like it @ Lunin i will try that since my focus is somehow better on the head ( although a friend told me it could be dangerous)... and forming things quickly got me to the nose bleed in the first place, i focus, then wander, then focus again and yada yada yada...
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Sept 18, 2006 13:14:47 GMT -5
Post by The Devil's Advocate on Sept 18, 2006 13:14:47 GMT -5
My article is not so new; it's under "Programming Methodology". I still owe Stony one on shields. Shelling is the process that makes psiballs dense enough to last on it's own. I'm somewhat particular on terminology. I'm honestly not sure how shelling applies to shields /in detail/. But the 'shell' is an actual layer of psi, at least as it has been described to me. I'd have to do some comparisons to see how it compares to the /internal/ structural integrity I use in my shields.
Impermeable is like impenetrable but it implies different things. Impermeable means things cannot leak through. Impenetrable means things cannot BREAK through. Cloth is permeable it lets air and water through. I have relatively strong shields (I haven’t gotten to truly impenetrable yet, either.) but I have to keep them from being psionically ‘air tight’ or it gets very, very uncomfortable. I hope this helps.
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