az343
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Sept 7, 2006 14:22:48 GMT -5
Post by az343 on Sept 7, 2006 14:22:48 GMT -5
Hi there to all of you that dont know me im Az lol obviouslly anyways i was reading in a different thred that when you are having a OBE you are not save i would just like to say that anyone who is new to the subject of OBE (outer body experience ) such as etheric astral mental or any other type of projection you are save from harm in the sence that when you are under foregin phsykick (lol spelling) conflict. You see when you are under an OBE your body apperas to be sleeping scince you have had a brainwave shift to i thing atleast theta (if anyone dosent understand i will explain if you ask) you see as you have having an obe your body makes a copy of itself to PROJECT on to the different planes of existance therefore you are safe ie shields etc your fine because u are still on the physicall plane although your conciousness is partlly somewhere elese (sorry if this is confusing to any newbie again i can explain if you ask me to) you see our physicall body is nothing but a meet shell it our other suble bodys that do the work your physicall is just a vessle to experience the 3rd dimension and is not directlly effected by phsykick attack etc it is the other bodies that translate these and cause defects in the physicall anyways it gets complex from there on lol Buuuut perhaps people want to know if they are safe when projecting through the astral or whatever plane you are TOTALLY you conciousnees produces a mechanism like a umbilical cord and conects you to your physicall body at ALL times even if you cannot see it so you are completlly safe!!!! ;D ok phew that took some time Any questions.......
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Sept 7, 2006 19:15:01 GMT -5
Post by ryakoth on Sept 7, 2006 19:15:01 GMT -5
your conciousness is you, when your body is hurt you are not being hurt, your body is, it is a tool, when you are hurt it is much more serious and logically when you dont have your tools protecting you(your body, main source of energy and link to this plane) you are more vulnerable to attack, being connected to your body doesnt mean you are safe it just means you can run, and what happens if something decides to float up and cut that cord?
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az343
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Sept 8, 2006 10:20:19 GMT -5
Post by az343 on Sept 8, 2006 10:20:19 GMT -5
The cord simplly cannot be broken it is the mechanism in wich you are connected to the astral plane besides take the name astral projection PROJECTION lol you are not fully consiouslly there have a look round the internet and some of the devoted sites to astral projection besides there are tings far more dangerous than astral projection besides if you were to get stuck wich has never happened well as far as i know then it isnt exacilly like you physicall brain is going to die becaused it is like you are in a dream state i mean for psi stuff some of the work although i am not sure if there are any on this site require you to enter a trance wich can be just as "dangerous" because if you go too deep and cannot move then your in trouble plus because your astral body has started to ocilate (have you ever felt that falling feeling when you are about to go to sleep ) anyways so basically when you are astral proecting you are in a sleplike state so if you die in a draem do you die in real life i am not sure but that would mean dreaming is just as dangerous as projection or nearlly as dangerous plus your subconcious is in controll when you are draming wich means you cant controll as much when in astral projection your are VERY aware
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The Devil's Advocate
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Respected Member I will deflate your theories and claims with ye olde pointy stick of logic.
Est autem fides credere quod nondum vides; cuius fidei merces est videre quod credis.
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Sept 8, 2006 10:58:38 GMT -5
Post by The Devil's Advocate on Sept 8, 2006 10:58:38 GMT -5
I am quite familiar with the astral and various methods of getting there, avoiding getting there, and getting ATTACKED from there. Just because you don't use a door, doesn't mean you don't know it's there or know how to turn the knob and step through. The sites I have run into that deal with the Astral and Out of Body in depth fall into a few general categories (there are exceptions I’m sure, I haven’t seen one yet though): Fraud (We’ll get you to the astral for $49.99/lesson!), Unreasearched Superstition (Just take our word for it it’s a Zen thing... get in touch with your inner wombat.), Religious site (Usually pagan, but not always.) I won’t go into the religious aspects here, as stated that is NOT the purview of psionline. Some of these sites do cover some of the dangers, you obviously haven’t seen that part. Let me give you several factors involved in the dangers.
1) Humans function together, body and mind, separate the two a little and both weaken. Separate the two completely and we call this Death. We can argue over what exactly happens when you die on some other forum.
2) Who the hell says you’re NOT fully aware of what’s going on around you in the astral? I’ve psionically looked into the astral and a couple other places (usually not voluntarily but that’s a story for another time and another place) and have always been fully aware. Which doesn’t make it any safer.
3) When you are OBE or Astral in any form you are outside of your ‘territory’, and in someone else’s. Consider it similar to dropping yourself in the middle of the Siberian tundra in the middle of winter stark naked. Not the smartest thing you’ll ever do.
Again use proper grammar and pronunciation. You've already made a huge deal about how 'British English is Different from American English' well then start using proper, grammatically correct British English and pronunciation. What you are currently typing in this thread is horrific grammar in ANY form of English. Judging by your age in your profile, you are sufficiently old enough and have had enough schooling, to communicate intelligently and intelligibly. You have not yet demonstrated that skill.
~The Devil's Advocate, who had hoped she wouldn't have to excercise the Rake of Smiting on our first newbie in a while.
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Sept 8, 2006 13:05:52 GMT -5
Post by wolfdancer on Sept 8, 2006 13:05:52 GMT -5
Nice post, DA.
I do not personally reccomend OBE's for much of the same reasons DA doesn't like them. Of course, a lot of my objections come from personal experiences and knowing people who have regularly practiced OBE's and astral projection and other such related acts. They scared me. I don't want to become like them or like I was when around them and studying with them. Therefore, I avoid it. Plain and simple. If anyone would like more details than given here PM me. It is not something I'm comfortable going into details on in a public forum like this. Sincerely,
~wolfdancer
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Sept 22, 2006 0:36:00 GMT -5
Post by The Mad Hatter on Sept 22, 2006 0:36:00 GMT -5
Posting with any finality as to what the human consciousness is is very difficult if not impossible. Some people believe you make a copy of yourself, others think you are that copy, some think the whole thing is nothing but a hallucination.
Now, I will however say this: From all the reports and personal experiences I've heard from people, there is no greater chance of being "possessed" while out of body. I believe this idea arises from the belief that people generally adopt when they have an OBE or read about them. If you experience things outside of your body, obviously that means that you are gone from your body. Right? Incorrect assumption, but that's not the point. The point is that people assume their body becomes an empty shell, a puppet, waiting for another master to pull its strings. Like I said before, everybody I've ever heard from has reported this as false.
Although I should probably mention the very small amount of exceptions:
Some people besides just DA have said there is a danger to mental health and long-term influence. As I've no information on this personally, I can't really say much, except that I haven't heard it reported by any of the famous practitioners. The closest thing I've heard is that you may encounter entities on the Astral who are something best avoided, and you should do just that. This is hardly to say that other dangers aren't present, simply that I haven't heard of them. The most I've heard is a general warning, and that it's not all candy and fun in the sun on the Astral. While I see nothing to back this up, there isn't anything really against it, and it does seem a rather arrogant assumption to make that you are immune to harm from this practice.
Hatter
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Est autem fides credere quod nondum vides; cuius fidei merces est videre quod credis.
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Sept 22, 2006 12:43:20 GMT -5
Post by The Devil's Advocate on Sept 22, 2006 12:43:20 GMT -5
Duscussing direct posessions is, for the most part outside of what psionline covers as it is combat at one end, and religious combat at another. Please note there IS a distinct difference between 'experiencing things outside your body' which can include things like remoteviewing, and an OBE, Astral projection, or socalled planar travel. By their definition and nature they imply a level of disconnection with the body. Not complete, or they would be /fatal/ (as was stated earlier).
Its good to know Wolf and I are not the only ones out there advising caution. The problem with most of the dangers is they're not 'jump out at you and eat you' kinds of dangers. They're things that erode personality, and they're typically alterations that can be easily missed, especially in the midst of major life changing events: Like puberty.
~The Devil's Advocate
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