Leek
New Member
BANNED
100%
Posts: 27
|
Post by Leek on Apr 7, 2007 18:42:36 GMT -5
|
|
The Devil's Advocate
Author
Respected Member I will deflate your theories and claims with ye olde pointy stick of logic.
Est autem fides credere quod nondum vides; cuius fidei merces est videre quod credis.
Posts: 1,552
|
Post by The Devil's Advocate on Apr 7, 2007 19:21:42 GMT -5
And for $15.95 you can to! Yes, that's how you sound. When you sound less like a used car salesman we might listen to you. I find this utterly laughable.
~The Devil's Advocate
|
|
Leek
New Member
BANNED
100%
Posts: 27
|
Post by Leek on Apr 7, 2007 19:24:55 GMT -5
Wow. Haha. You're slipping. I would expect more of a post from you. Have you not researched how hypnosis works? Have you not tried it yourself? I see not.
|
|
The Devil's Advocate
Author
Respected Member I will deflate your theories and claims with ye olde pointy stick of logic.
Est autem fides credere quod nondum vides; cuius fidei merces est videre quod credis.
Posts: 1,552
|
Post by The Devil's Advocate on Apr 7, 2007 19:42:25 GMT -5
I do have a passing familiarity with Hypnosis, and scams, and that's what you sound like. A scam. Not worth my time.
~The Devil's Advocate
|
|
innerfire
Author
Respected Member
--Unknown--
Posts: 399
|
Post by innerfire on Apr 7, 2007 20:18:31 GMT -5
My only question is, if this works so well:
1) Why haven't we ever heard of it? 2) Why are there still so many psions that aren't having success with tk?
My main suspicion is that when something works incredibly better than any of the other methods availible it tends to spread very quickly (even if the person that thought it up tries to keep a lid on things). So the fact that I haven't heard of this before makes me learn towards it not being on the level.
|
|
Leek
New Member
BANNED
100%
Posts: 27
|
Post by Leek on Apr 8, 2007 16:56:45 GMT -5
1)because you obviously haven't tried to look for things other than PsiOnline. 2)Because they don't look into it. This is a tape that can be found in 8/10 libraries(i've checked, DA)
|
|
The Devil's Advocate
Author
Respected Member I will deflate your theories and claims with ye olde pointy stick of logic.
Est autem fides credere quod nondum vides; cuius fidei merces est videre quod credis.
Posts: 1,552
|
Post by The Devil's Advocate on Apr 8, 2007 20:31:51 GMT -5
1) Actually I have looked beyond Psionline. I've got several books from the library currently, mostly conference summaries, but good starts. I'm also working my way through articles in the Journal of Parapsychology and getting cross references from THERE as where to look further. 2) That doesn't make your assessment OR this book in any way a good resource (I haven’t had a chance to read it yet so I haven’t commented on your source prior to this... just your post.) You should see some of the things they put in libraries, because people want to use them for research. (87% of all statistics are made up on the spot... List the libraries you checked please because I doubt you have access to enough to actually say that with any accuracy. I have coordinated with a friend at the university library. She will be corroborating your statistics.) I've looked into hypnosis. It is a useful relaxation tool, but it is of VERY limited utility, for crying out loud there are hypnotists who will ask people to leave the audience based on religious affiliations because, in their experience they cannot hypnotize people with that demographic present... that hardly strikes me as the miracle of Psionics you are touting it as. Do you own research. Actually look into the medical aspects of hypnotism. The following is a good summary: www.rps.psu.edu/probing/hypnosis.htmlFrankly Hypnotism is only marginally more efficient than meditation. It is an alert state that leaves you more vulnerable to suggestion. Not everyone is as easily placed (either voluntarily or not) in this state. Whee! You’re more aware, this is good. You are more suggestible… this may be good depending on what you want to do with it. This may be a very bad thing. It’s not a Magic Wand or a Staff of Wonder or even the Holy Hand-grenade of Antioch. ~The Devil's Advocate
|
|
|
Post by wolfdancer on Apr 9, 2007 9:17:07 GMT -5
Actually the name you would need to search for at a library is "Sutphen, Richard." As far as I can find there is no catalogued record of an audiobook on psychokinesis. He is a hypnotist and has done several recordings as well as texts on healing, clairvoyance, telepathy, astral projection, etc....but none are registered or list kinesis as a subject. I have looked at the records and the most libraries I can find that hold any of his material is 17. My local libraries do not have any of his works. If you would like to know the all of the resources I used, PM me.
I know the book exists. I have found records on it from other sources. It was produced in 2002, if that helps anyone. However, it has not been cataolged and does not appear in the world wide catalog used by a vast majority of libraries to share information and resources (it is where holdings are recorded for use by interlibrary loan departments) so that we are not duplicating each others work, just checking it.
~Wolfd@ncer~
One resource I utilized is WorldCat by OCLC
MODIFIED TO ADD A QUOTE FROM THE OCLC WEBSITE: Founded in 1967, OCLC Online Computer Library Center is a nonprofit, membership, computer library service and research organization dedicated to the public purposes of furthering access to the world's information and reducing information costs. More than 57,000 libraries in 112 countries and territories around the world use OCLC services to locate, acquire, catalog, lend and preserve library materials.
P.S. I also want to mention that his works are rather eclectic. Unlike most authors who focus on one area he writes on new age, sleep, natural childbirth, psychic related topics. self-esteem, love, cartoons, tennis, history, art, poetry, health....the list goes on. I have a print out of all of his works that have been catalogued. Yes, I verified that it is the same person. There are ways to do that if you can navigate the name authorities in WorldCat and I have a lot of practice with that from my job. There is also a distinct pattern in publishers: 95% of his work is published by "valley of the sun" which also has works publishe dby Tara Sutphen. It makes me suspicious and looking at what is published by that company it appears to be his personal publication company. I will let all of you come to your own conclusions about the reliability of this source. I really prefer there to be more checks in place on published material, but that is just me.
~Wolfd@ncer~
|
|
|
Post by confuded on Apr 12, 2007 0:27:39 GMT -5
;D My friends buy something online with hypnosis ;D. Theybought a "DO IT NOOOOW!" Thing which was a big scam (it was a hypnosis thingy). Also hypnosis eyecolor change (another scam) and some photographic memory thing (they are trying it out). I mean they olny spent 15$ since their are also scamers. They bought a thing and returned it and then bought another thing. ;D Point. Scam .
|
|
|
Post by forumdude on Apr 15, 2007 10:43:23 GMT -5
The way I figure is if it is free it is worth a try in my book. Though I am probably far too trusting of people, I say "Why would he lie if it is free?" It is one thing if it costs money but if it is free there is no point in lying.
|
|
The Devil's Advocate
Author
Respected Member I will deflate your theories and claims with ye olde pointy stick of logic.
Est autem fides credere quod nondum vides; cuius fidei merces est videre quod credis.
Posts: 1,552
|
Post by The Devil's Advocate on Apr 15, 2007 18:43:43 GMT -5
In a word: YES.
The expression "you get what you pay for" is actually relatively accurate. People will put out for free things they literally cannot sell. I've seen so much garbage offered for free that it's not even funny! So, because it's free, You should believe every crazy, screw ball conspiracy thoery webpage, every last person who says the world is flat, all the garbage that mangles things like Khabala, buddhism, Hindu, and half a dozen under religions that are poorly understood in some countries? The information is free, that doesn't mean it's accurate.
~The Devil's Advocate
|
|
TC
Respected Member
Formerly known as Yokusa
Posts: 338
|
Post by TC on Apr 15, 2007 20:39:08 GMT -5
Also, there's always that phrase you have to look out for. "Strings attached". Notice there's no "no" before the "strings".
|
|
|
Post by wolfdancer on Apr 15, 2007 23:06:58 GMT -5
Please remember also that this guy's primary goal seems to be to /sell/ his material. It is a for profit publishing company. A few things offered for free to get you to eventually purchase what is for sale. If you do believe what is being stated is possible through this means, what is to say he isn't going to motivate you to buy his products while telling you to do better tk? I just don't trust his expertise on the subjects he's publishing on.
|
|
Leek
New Member
BANNED
100%
Posts: 27
|
Post by Leek on Apr 18, 2007 10:21:20 GMT -5
1) it's Dick Stuphen, which shows that you nards didn't even try looking at it 2)i'm not trying to sell anything. you just looked at your 'All mighty leaders post' and played along 3) this is a freebie version. it's called being nice, and sharing with the world /facepalm*3
|
|
The Devil's Advocate
Author
Respected Member I will deflate your theories and claims with ye olde pointy stick of logic.
Est autem fides credere quod nondum vides; cuius fidei merces est videre quod credis.
Posts: 1,552
|
Post by The Devil's Advocate on Apr 18, 2007 12:37:13 GMT -5
1) You make that sound like you're saying "It's Albert Einstein." Which from everything I've seen is utterly rediculous. It's more like saying "It's Tammy Faye Baker!" (And if you want to look up THAT little fraud scheme you might find it enlightening.)
2) YOU may not be. But HE certainly is. Given that everything I have been able to find on him online is "Pay me X amount and my book will solve all your problems."
3) One of the oldest advertising tricks out there is to offer something for free, then have people pay for a more complete/better version. (For crying out loud don't tell me you've never seen a demo version of a video game! Same tactic.)
We've done our research, and presented it, please go sulk elsewhere.
~The Devil's Advocate
|
|