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Post by rayndragon06 on Sept 5, 2007 22:11:01 GMT -5
Woah, cool down. Sorry if caused offense. I just said that to those who were criticizing Karen's site. No site is a work of art. That was the point. I actually like the site, otherwise, I would not be here. As far as me knowing everything, if someone has something that I do not know, I am all for it. I am straight forward, that is the that I am. I also have alot of experience in various matters. All I was saying, was that your site is not perfect so do not criticize another. As a webmaster myself, I know the work that goes into it. As for me breaking the rules, I am the type of person you only have to say once.
Your job as a person relaying information is to make sure that the information is correct and to correct any changes or flaws in it. That means going back and rewriting articles and taking out irrelevant ones. As your experience and knowledge changes, so to should the material on your site. If you honestly would like me to point out the flaws I will either PM them to you or set up a series of different threads in the D&D, which I do not want to do. I am constantly updating my websites, creating tweaks. The writers of the articles should make sure that their research is complete. On the subject me call this an elite site, Karen called it that. Read the early part of this thread. If you have a problem with what I said, complying with YOUR rules, move it to D&D or PM me about it.
Right now I am going through a shit load of things, so forgive me if I do not sugar coat my words (that was sarcasm if you did not get it). Am I the ultimate supreme know it all of the universe, no. Am I EXTREMELY experienced, yes. Probably more so than you.
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Post by jaci on Sept 6, 2007 8:21:17 GMT -5
Instead of continuing to blame stuff going on in your life, perhaps try to phrase thing a little more nicely? You don't need to "suger coat" things but there are ways of saying things and ways of saying things.You're not the first or the last person to have crap happen in their life and I'm sure I've been guilty of posts phrased in a way I shouldn't have in retrospect, but I do generally make an effort not to. If you're so insistant of picking people up on factual errors, be careful about your own (yes I have see at least one error I noticed in a thread you made to explain the errors someone else had made, it's not anything ground breaking but its there and stated as fact). Don't get me wrong, picking up when something may be incorrect is a good thing, perhaps it's the way you come across that seems to have gotten me off on the wrong foot, so to speak with you. And from the way you talk, I'm gathering you don't know some of the regular members here particularly well. Perhaps get to know them a little better before jumping to conclusions? Yes I realise this may get a caustic response so I'll just end it here and I'll try not to bring it up again.
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Post by rayndragon06 on Sept 6, 2007 8:31:27 GMT -5
Instead of continuing to blame stuff going on in your life, perhaps try to phrase thing a little more nicely? You don't need to "suger coat" things but there are ways of saying things and ways of saying things.
The thing about me is that I do not judge people by what they say, but how they feel when they say it and what I get off of them. I judge whether or not I like you by you can say my "mental" senses. Information is just that. I do not care who you are, that does not excuse you if you are peddling false information (not saying anyone here has down that this is just for the record). Therefore, if I see something wrong I am going to point it out not caring who you are. In my mind the people here were criticizing another site, therefore, they should be able to take the fire. If you can not, then do not jump on someone else.
However, I guess you can be right. Me and my uncle were watching a movie. I sat there and analyzed the movie to death. I picked out its flaws. He said that by doing that I was missing the point. I am straight foward, blunt, and over analytical. I am not trying to be rude, that is just me. I have a heard time saying things in plain "nicer" speak. Normally, when I speak or type I project and I assume that people can pick up on what I am doing, so they know the intentions and emotions behind what I say. Empaths and telepaths who I know personally(not online) can pick up on this with no problem. I assumed that you guys would be able to as well.
Yes I realise this may get a caustic response so I'll just end it here and I'll try not to bring it up again.
I actually see some of where you are coming from. As I said before, "The thing about me is that I do not judge people by what they say, but how they feel when they say it and what I get off of them."
Let me give you a break down of my year. Schizo homicidal HIV infected psychos stalking me, academic blackmail/conspiracy, FBI agents blowing up my phone, mass relocation to a very bad part of Detroit, mass relocation to New York, being shot at while in Detroit, boyfriend in Detroit while I am here, and that is not even 10% of it.
I am not really part of the "psion community", as I said I am not just a psion, so no I do not half of these people. I do know a person who goes by the name of Pasychosheep who was part of the whole psipog thing, but I do not talk to him frequently.
Let me explain myself better. When I talk to a person and my attention is on them, I kind of see them. I sense them. If they are shielded, I sense them and their shield. If they are cloaked I sense a numbed out version of them. If they are just there, I sense them. It is automatic.
When I think of a person it happens, therefore, when someone mentioned NI, Rainsong, or anyone else, the same thing happens. In short DA is kind of like a weird bundle. The best way to describe it is like this little bowling ball things with little bitty spikes. Inner somewhat feels all ummmm soft. You know that soft presence that can make a big impact or the quiet person who watches everything in the room. Rainsong is like bammmm, right there. In your face. Very bright!!
That being said, I automatically can gauge a person's strength (there is more than just that I gave you an attempt at funny version). I create an opinion of them, based upon that. If I like them or not. The only time that does not happen is if you are outside of "frequency".
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Post by The Devil's Advocate on Sept 17, 2007 19:07:55 GMT -5
It is called diplomacy. If you can't handle it you have been given your options.
A lot of us have lives that could qualify as 'sucking'. (Including off chances of deploying to Iraq, very good chances of deploying to Iraq, single mothers, increasing debt, attacks and life threatening situations being a constant psionic norm...)
I'm not going into mine. Why? I'm too paranoid. Yes, I'm an unusual one, but you have blatantly dismissed everything I have said, so I rather expect you to treat this the same. I find myself skeptical about your story, given that it drips of "No body likes me, everybody hates me, I'm going to go eat worms." I know quite a bit about 'how the government works' so please forgive me my blatant skepticism of how dismal your life really is. (You've got the time and money to spend this much of it on line.)
I would not call you overly analytical, not judging by your posts. Cynical yes, but not truly analytical. (Note: This coming from a trained Analyst) You don't seem to have a grasp of written analysis, cross referencing, logic, or facts. You don't seem to grasp the necessity of observation. You have pulled quotes from sources that actually refute what you are arguing rather than supporting it. When these things are pointed out you explode and become less logical and more vehement. This is not effective, neither is it the sign of an an analytical mind.
If you cannot deal with people, then do not deal with them. If you cannot present logical arguments yourself, do not demand them of others. (And before you start in on me, go back and read the majority of my posts. I am quite frequently harder on myself than anyone else.) Hold NO ONE to the standard you, yourself, are not willing to maintain.
Stony has made his position clear, now let me make mine. My job on this site is quite simple: to poke holes in any theory presented using whatever tools I can muster: Logic, science, reason, observation, and personal experience. You have decided ONLY your personal experience matters and that is more of a fallacy than any you have accused us of perpetrating.
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Post by rayndragon06 on Sept 17, 2007 19:25:49 GMT -5
How is any of that relevant to this thread? It is simple, he was criticizing someone else's site, so I criticized his. What I was pointing at were technical issues within the site. Done deal.
That is increadbly shaking ground. I suggest you quit. I do not know the depth of the challenges in your life, but you do not know mine either. I do not care if you know how the military works, how is that relevant to my life.
The FBI agents were blowing up my phone because my lover had left Detroit to be with me and his family filed a missing person's report. He has a seizure disorder and his overly abusive family was trying to prove that he was not competent to be on his own. Before that, I had gotten involved with a man who had HIV, he did not tell me that. He became obsessed with me and began to stalk me. He threatned me and all types of things. He was literally schizo
After that blew over and the FBI agents stopped messing with me, another problem popped up. The administration and my roommates little buddies got wind of me "having delusions" of being a psion. These little buddies took it upon themselves to try and attack me for it. What is really interesting is that the police reports that I filed had to go through the housing depo at CSU and they ignored them. This person told the administration that I was stalking him, without proof. I had saved text messages, my other roommate was being stalked to, e-mails, and people who saw it. He did not have anything, but he had ties with the assistant dean.
Long story short, the school threatened me with my grades. See they had shut down my vista account so I could not have access to the assignments of my classes. I had people harassing me, the school was blackmailing me, and all types of other things. I did not have anywhere to go literally, so I had to move to 7 mile in Detroit. You could call that the ghetto with the only person who my life who ever cared a damn. My lover, but due to the fact that I got kicked out on the streets and needed a place to stay, I had to leave him and come to New York City. By the way, that has been in the last 3 months. I have been in New York for about 2 weeks now.
By the way, due to my illnesses, I am in pain 24/7. I have an intestinal disorder. Long story short I am in ex curating pain 24/7, therefore, what I can do is limited. Lately, it has gotten so bad that I can barely get out of bed. Combine that with my anxiety, and I can barely leave the house, since you say I have enough time to be online. You're mobile, which is more than I can say for myself. More then likely you will live to see your children and your children's. More than likely, unless I become gifted with biokinetics or there is some miracle I won't. I am literally rotting from the inside out.
So you know what DA, f*** you. I am done with this site.
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Post by The Devil's Advocate on Sept 17, 2007 19:42:18 GMT -5
Not a done deal. We were all offering CONSTRUCTIVE criticism: That is how to make improvements. You were just offering criticism. Then going "sniffle sniffle poor me, my life sucks so I can be as rude to anyone as I want to be."
Nope, won't fly. And it's quite relevant. You have claimed, in this thread, that your rudeness is due to your lousy life. Other people have lousy lives and are not rude. You have not sufficiently backed up any of your complaints, arguments, or statements. You simply make them, as loquaciously as humanly possible and expect people to bow before your shaky, wordy arguments.
You have claimed, in this thread, to be analytical, and use that to justify your rudeness. Yet your statements are NOT analytical. They are typically strictly opinion. You offer no self-criticism, you do not point out any possible errors in your own theories. An analytical mind would consider where its own theories may be flawed. You have not done this in any of the posts I have seen thus far. I included reference to my own self analysis because I DO have an analytical mind. There are holes in most of my arguments, I acknowledge them, Why? Because no theory is complete.
I have looked at many websites (Psipog, psionguild, veritas, and a whole slew for Psilinks when I was on their review staff). I have looked at many lay outs. I have read through old articles in many different fields (40 years ago the the theory of plate tectonics was laughable, it's now widely accepted, yet old theories are still mentioned and kept in the mind, because science is a process.) All of the present builds on the past, frequently the mistakes of the past are the greatest discoveries of the future. (Look at how penicillin was discovered!)
You expect perfection, yet you are not willing to give it, or even attempt it, which leads me to this conclusion: You have not earned the right to criticise anyone. You do not hold yourself to anything resembling the standard you hold others to, and you are not willing to learn from others or even make POLITE suggestions. No you slam, and then you retreat back on to 'my life sucks pity me!'
That is how this relates: You have no right to criticize where you do not maintain an equitable standard for yourself. You do not. Therefore you should cease to complain.
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Post by goliath797 on Sept 19, 2007 21:10:53 GMT -5
Lol (sorry i had to use that)
but Rayndragon, i never truly liked you
You tried to be DAx2, which will never happen
and You also kinda just jumped in and destroyed our understanding of psi
You broke our reasoning with scientific reasoning, even though psionics is ALL ABOUT everything that has NO scientific reasoning behind it
Another thing, How old are you? you're at least 20?
Im 14 and my life seems a lot more shittier then yours, so please give up at life.
Unlike you, im optimistic and i love my life no matter how bad
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Post by The Devil's Advocate on Sept 19, 2007 21:28:11 GMT -5
Goliath, my issue with Rayn, was that he had very little actual science behind what he was saying. He quoted but he only once ever said WHAT he was quoting... Which makes it plagerism or no quote at all. He put forth his own experiences as hard irrefutable facts. He put forth his CONCLUSIONS as hard irrifutable fact... then denied anyone else the right to use any kind of personal experience as evidence. It had to come from outside sources. He miss applied Jung's concept of Archetypes, the basic philosphies of Nitche and DesCarte, everything you can get from Psychology and philosophy 101 he tossed in in a strange garble. Then was rude and arrogant to everyone when he was contradicted.
Psionics follows a pattern. It is a poorly understood pattern, but it's there. I get independent results that match each other. This is not the sign of something science cannot touch, simply the signs of something we have not yet applied science too internally, not because we can't, but because we are only starting to get people who will take a serious look at Psionics. That's part of why we are so careful with our Kinesis terms.
My job is not to be rude, but to make people think. The job of the Devil's Advocate is so that there will ALWAYS be a dissenting opinion to make sure theories are completely and thoroughly thought through. It was originally a term used in the Catholic Church. It was the person whose job it was to oppose canonizations (that is the appeals to decree someone a saint.) So that no one is too easily elevated to such a position. It has come to mean someone who takes the opposite side of an argument just so the opposite side is considered properly. He was forwarding his own personal agenda.
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