NI's Telekinesis Training Manual II inaccurate

[rayndragon06]

This deals with the part of NI's manual on the subconscious mind. This is where it can be found

psipog.net/art-nis-tk-training-manual-ii.html

"The Subconscious

Let's start with the subconscious. I've had the chance to learn more about its nature from psychology journals and some books dedicated completely to this topic. What is the subconscious? Subconscious is a separate mind within your own brain (scary, isn't it? Smile). Many say it's a part of your own mind, but, either way, normally you don't have a conscious awareness of it. If you imagine your brain as the CPU (central processing unit of a computer), your body-parts as the periphery devices like printer, monitor, etc. and your own mind as the software controlling the CPU, then your subconscious must be the operating system (let's hope it's not Windows Smile), between the CPU and the program. If you are a programmer, you know that every Windows program interacts constantly with Windows itself via messages. And although you aren't aware of it, your subconscious sends you hundreds of messages in form of feelings, memories, etc. And whenever you want to move a leg or perform telekinesis, you unconsciously send a "message" to your subconscious to perform the task. You might think, you are moving the object, but in fact it's your subconscious. Without it you are as helpless as software on a CD. All of your physical and many of your mental skills lie in your subconscious."

So to perform the conscious act of moving my leg, my subconscious mind moves it? If that is the case, how am I conscious of moving my leg? You have various forms of neurons in the body. You have sensory neurons, motor neurons, and gial cells, and interneurons.

The gial cells produce the mylean sheath of the neurons and removes waste, they rarely transmit information. Sensory neurons receive and transmit information from the enviorment to and then transmit it to the brain and spinal cord (central nervous system). Motor neurons transmit information from the central nervous system to muscles and organs . Sitting in between the neurons, the interneurons coordinate information among the sensory neurons and motor neurons.

Alot of reflexes are associated with spinal cord functioning not processing of the brain. If you apply an electric charge to the muscle of a dead man's leg, it will jump.

When I want to consciously move my hand, the part of the brain responsible for motor skills sends what is called an excitatory message to the soma of the neuron. The soma (the cell body) opens up the sodium potassium pumps to let either let in positive ions or release negatively charged ions in the soma. This turns the resting potential into action potential which is sent through the axon of the soma and through the dendrites. These dendrites are connected to the dendrites of another neuron. The potential travels through that soma, its axons, and its dendrites to reach the next one. When it reaches its destination, it hits what is called the termni buttons, which have neurotransmitters and chemicals and hormones stored in them. That is what gets my hand to move, not my subconscious mind.

"One of the facts is that your subconscious reacts explosively to strong emotions and feelings. Ever felt an ache in your stomach from having a strong emotion?"

Research has shown that to be incorrect. Research has indicated that the feeling in your gut, is the result of the activation of the nerve ganglia within that area. As said before, certain reflexes and reactions are done via the nervous system directly.

The subconscious mind is not in charge of heartbeat or breathing either. What is in charge of that is called the ANS or the Autonomic Nervous System. Within this nervous system is is the parasympathetic and the sympathetic nervous systems which are in charge of no adrenaline (no epinephrine) and adrenaline (epinephrine). Adrenaline preps the body for the flight or fight response and no adrenaline calms the body down after the issues has been dealt with. The ANS is responsible for transmitting and keeping in check autonomic functions. These are the involuntary actions that the body is constantly doing.

"So, how can you enhance some of its skills? Modern psychology compares the subconscious mind with the mind of an animal, because animals are believed to have none or a very small part of conscious mind. Therefore a dog's mind consists mainly or totally of its subconscious. How do you train your dog to follow an instruction? By repeating the instruction several times (many times in fact). The same thing happens while you practice telekinesis, you "tell" (in fact you just focus on the objective) your subconscious what you want it to do. And it takes some time until it actually understands what you want it to do and until it finds out how to do it. In 3 words: practice is important."

That is called by psychology conditioning. Animals and humans share two parts of the brain in common, the hindbrain and the midbrain. Humans have what is called the forbrain which houses the cerebral cortex. The cerebral cortex houses various things related to sight, I think the visual cortex is housed there. The cerebral cortex is what is in charge of such things that contribute to thoughts, reason, language, personality, etc. It is the largest part of the human brain. My psyche prof showed us a clip of the brain being dissected. It looked gross. You could say that where personality and the subconscious mind takes place is in the cerebral cortex of the brain. Most other animals do not have that part of the brain, therefore conditioning of a dog and an animal would be different.

"Your subconscious doesn't only respond to emotions and feelings, it also reacts to beliefs, exterior suggestions (music can be used as "exterior suggestion". I've tried this myself. Your favorite music may cause energy outbursts. It can help your practice, but it can also be an obstacle. Please find out what works better for you) and subliminal messages."

I am going to see if I can shorten this up. The conscious mind has what is called a schemata. You could say that they are files. A schemata is simply a psychological model that a person has of the world. They see a dog. They have never seen one. The person groups them with four legged animals. When they learn it is called a dog it is grouped again in the new category of dogs. When they see something similar to a dog or a new type of dog they group it under dog. That is a schemata. Belief systems and external suggestions create a certain type of model. A person incorporates them into their schemata.

"I feel I had to tell that, and I hope you have gained some insights into the nature and possibilities of your subconscious (be aware that most of this knowledge is provided by facts from the modern psychology). Overall, I personally am not a big fan of the idea to use your emotions/feelings (complexes?) to trigger some strong reactions, since you have no guarantee that it won't result in some psychical damage (we don't know enough about that topic). It's only for your consideration. You may try it, but don't get too obsessed Smile."

Give me a break... Whoever wrote this is confusing psychology and neurology. Psychology is the study of philosophy and physiology. It is the study of thoughts and emotions and the consciousness and how the consciousness affects the body and where it comes from. It is called the mind body problem. Neurology is purely the study of the brain.

The subconscious or the unconscious mind is connected to what is called Self and Ego. Self and Ego is connected to how we view ourselves and what makes up our total personality. Ego you can say is at the forefront of our personality. It is what we think of ourselves when we think of our personality. The unconscious mind acts as a storehouse, a filter. Any feelings or emotions or memories or anything that the conscious mind can not handle or deems wrong to house is pushed into there along with certain things that the conscious mind can not decipher (that is why subliminal messages are so odd). The subconscious mind sometimes influences us to do actions that we are not even aware of committing. So in other words, that nice person in across the street that donates to charity every day is probably housing a homicidal alter ego within their subconscious, due to all things concerning a person acting on homicidal actions being sent there.

I should add that I am a double major in Microbiology and Psychology minoring in Religion.

[innerfire]

I'll admit he got some things wrong, but the core theory that TK is routed through the subconcious I believe is still accurate. It's currently the best fit explanation I've found to a lot of things with TK. For instance, mental blocks are very prevalent with TK yet not other skills. In my opinion this is because in many other skills you "do it" while in TK you ask for it to happen. For instance: energy manipulation- I want to make a shield, I pool and shape the energy with my mind actively piecing the thing together. That's mostly concious work.

However with TK I either think a command to move the psiwheel or expect that it will move. I do not take concious part in the actual process of moving that object. Hence, something other than the concious mind must be responsible. Since many mental blocks and other lingering issues are buried in the subconcious mind they can do the most damage in skills like TK because the intention has to be processed through there.

I do not have that advanced of a knowledge of neurology so I will not attempt to try and compile the specifics like you did for your argument, this is just my theory.

[goliath797]

I agree with NL and innerfire

[rayndragon06]

innerfire said:

However with TK I either think a command to move the psiwheel or expect that it will move. I do not take concious part in the actual process of moving that object. Hence, something other than the concious mind must be responsible. Since many mental blocks and other lingering issues are buried in the subconcious mind they can do the most damage in skills like TK because the intention has to be processed through there.

I never had that problem, I am directly involved in the movement of whatever. I consciously do it, then I guess everyone is not like me. I know what it is that I want to do and I just do it. Once I am plugged into something it is like if I move it here or up here or do this or do that.

It it s perfectly fine to go along with that theory, NI just needs to clean up alot. The references that were made to how the body and brain coordinate information, were really inaccurate. You could say that the knowledge of how to perform TK or PK is stored within the subconscious mind like some type of hidden knowledge, but that is it. You can not link conscious bodily movements to the subconscious mind or even involuntary ones, otherwise we would not be aware of walking or talking or even feeling. If he is going to claim that it is based upon fact and psychology and whatever he needs to do some more research. It was poorly researched and poorly written. Half the people who read it are thinking that their subconscious mind is a little pet that keeps them breathing and tells them that they are hungry that they can have conversations with without being schizo.

Taking a class in general psychology should help him a little bit.

Personally, I feel that if people worked on consciously perceiving the matter outside of themselves first, then affecting it with said precision, they would have more success. If there is a block there, there is a block for a reason and until that issue or subconscious thing has been worked out, leave it alone. One thing that I have come to learn as an emapth/telepath and just as a person is that the mind generally has good reasons for restricting things. It is a form of protection for the psyche.

[Stony1205]

You forgot how long ago this article was written. NI is not a neurologist or advanced scientist of any type. NI is actually generally a skeptic for most things except PK. I agree that this is not a perfect theory, but NI has written some of the best "how to" works I've seen. They've helped countless people do PK where other works have not been able to give them results. Many things have changed since that article was written, and I'm sure NI doesn't completely agree with all of it anymore, either.

For example, has anyone seen my first article? A Newbie's Guide to Psiballs. It has some very gross errors and needs to be updated. The chances of getting biofeedback with that method are pretty much assured, yet, they are not addressed.

~ Stony

[rayndragon06]

admin said:

You forgot how long ago this article was written. NI is not a neurologist or advanced scientist of any type. NI is actually generally a skeptic for most things except PK. I agree that this is not a perfect theory, but NI has written some of the best "how to" works I've seen. They've helped countless people do PK where other works have not been able to give them results. Many things have changed since that article was written, and I'm sure NI doesn't completely agree with all of it anymore, either.

He should update or revise it and take a class on the subject or talk to a neurologist and/or a psychologist. I kind of don't like it when people do not do proper research (notice I said proper).

[Stony1205]

I'm sure NI and Sean Connelly would love to take the time to update an archived site that hasn't been touched in half a year. It would be a brilliant move.

That manual was NI's last major work before he moved on with his life. The manual was made on his personal experiences and research that he knew of at the time. Again, things change, that's a given, but you really shouldn't expect every single piece of work to be revised instantly, especially if its an archived piece.

Why don't you write a manual yourself? I see you calling out everyone else's work, why don't you submit your own?

~ Stony

[rayndragon06]

I actually have a couple of books in the making. I mostly write articles on occultism. I do not like submitting my articles to a site that I do not own...

[Stony1205]

Article submission at PsiOnline is an easy thing to do.

I dont steal your shit.
I dont take your copyrights.
You still have full control of the work. Ex, you can edit or pull the work at any time. Its still up to you to submit, but I'm not going to be a dick to you about your hard work.

~ Stony

[rayndragon06]

I will think about it. My work has been stolen before, so I am cautious. I was working on a novel, and me being stupid, submitted it and the person ran with it. As far as me criticizing people's work. There are two reasons. I hold the values of making sure the information is correct and updated high (can not stand inaccurate information it's a personality flaw) and if one knows what one did wrong, they can make corrections. That being said, it kind of is annoying when you spend hard work on something and someone picks it apart. If the person doesn't want to or can not go back and correct the information, then the reader knows to take these errors into account.