Using Pk, to do bodily things...

[salemdaykor]

Ok, I am not sure how to word that since I can't use the forbidden word "Biokinesis", but I have heard many people
say that, you are not using PK to do Biological effects, but merely using musscles and control over your own body
that not many people concsiously ever take control of. So, my question is, "Do you think Bio-Pk is a true form of Pk or no?"

I personally think it it. Though I am not sure, because that is the only way I have ever known it to be. Therefor an outside
source would be helpful.

PS. Not sure where to put this. You can move it if needed, and I apologize if I put it in the wrong place. ^^

Thank you all!

[neveza]

It depends on what is happening. I think most of the results of DMILS is on a psionic level, but there are still some things that can be done without psionics. However, DA's posts from another topic makes me wonder if it's even psychokinesis, but just a result from energy manipulation.

[The Devil's Advocate]

I think it is PK, backed by energy manipulation. PK is the aspect of psionics that most interacts with the physical, and manipulating the biological on a strictly energy-based level is limited at best.

With what I do, I only achieve the most minor affects, but I also have very little ability to PK at this point, so the two issues are likely inter-related. All I have been able to do is encourage cells to do what they do faster. That could probably be achieved through energy manipulation alone; however, more 'dramatic' affects would require more direct interaction with the cells, which requires something beyond energy manipulation. PK is the most likely discipline for that, and in the case of healing illnesses, telepathic suggestion would probably help.

Comments/rebuttals from anyone with more experience with this than myself? (There are several on this site, you know who you are. )

~The Devil's Advocate

[innerfire]

While I would agree that something more complex than energy manipulation alone would be more effective, I'm not so sure using energy manipulation alone is that limited. I've heard the idea that heavy energy manipulation alone can activate or augment some other abilities, such as empathy. (Activate was the best word I could find and it still doesn't work too well, what I mean is that it's the paradox of an artificially created natural ability, where no practice in one area has been done, but practicing energy manipulation seems to grant the user some ability in that area). Its nothing too solid, but I've experienced some stuff like this myself, not so much with empathy. While I wouldn't grant my full confidence in the idea, this certaintly doesn't discredit the idea.

Also, in my experience the body tends to "adjust" when *slowly* exposed overtime to increasing amounts of energy. Kinda like building up tolerance except in this case its not a bad thing, as the added capacity can be very useful, and the wielding of large amounts of energy probably assist with other things via my first point.

I wouldn't say either of these changes are to be written off as particularly limited, while admittably the really "cool" stuff needs PK, the energy manipulation based manipulation of the biological can still be quite potent.

[The Devil's Advocate]

Activly agument? that would make a little more sense the way you phrased the rest of that sentence.

As for the limits of energy. If you're talking increasing physical endurance you may be right, but when you're talking direct manipulation of a bodily system (for healing a strained ankle, clearing an ear infection, etc.) rather than a 'brute force' application, something more specific is required. The problem with Healing, is it doesn't seem to be JUST one discipline, but seems to require the use of many, yet it is also not entirely it's own separate skill.

As for energy manip augmenting empathy. It can, however it cannot REPLACE innate empathic ability. Empathy must either be pre-existent or must be learned, and in some cases no amount of energy will be able to emulate the effects if the empathy flat out is not there. (And empathy IS my specialty where healing is not. )

~The Devil's Advocate

[innerfire]

The "activate augment" thing was a typo I just fixed, there should be an "or" in there.

Well not just physical endurance but "psychic endurance" so to speak, if one can hold/manage more energy, theres more capacity to do various psychic activities, that kind of bonus can't be underestimated.

Also augmenting something that's already there isn't too bad either Hypothetically, I couldn't imagine myself saying "oh darn, that process didn't grant me telekinetic ability it only trippled the effect of what ability I already have."

[salemdaykor]

I my self have been doing healing for several years, from things like paper cuts, to broken bones. And the main things I have done is to either rearrange the cells one by one (Hours), and/or stimulate them to do their jobs faster. (Sometimes can be dangerous >.>) Really, I have no clue how you would classify either of them, because both of them require a hybrid control.

[confuded92]

Quote from DA's words: "I think it is PK, backed by energy manipulation."

Then why do you need to know TK to do TK constructs since TK is energy manipulation? Thus, if the construct has enough energy to push somehting the there is no TK then its all energy manipulation... OK, tooo early to make conclusions... Maybe I got something wrong...

[The Devil's Advocate]

You're not making sense, Confuded. As far as I can tell your conclusion has nothing to do with anything being discussed.

Salem: Indeed, which is why I tend to call it 'healing'. I have my own biases against 'DMILs' though that is probably the most technically accurate term. I've just heard it MISused so many times it's become more confusing than clarifying. My own abilities with healing are very slow and very limited.

~The Devil's Advocate

[jaci]

The problem with Healing, is it doesn't seem to be JUST one discipline, but seems to require the use of many, yet it is also not entirely it's own separate skill.

I would agree with that, healing does often make use of more than one "area". Speaking in general terms, I'd say energy manipulation is usually involved. I would think that pk is also often involved and depending on what is being done, other things like empathy and (if applicable,) biofeedback can also be worked in. It can be a bit variable, but for many things where there may be changes in the functioning of cells and such, in my oppinion there would seem to be a pk component to it.

[wolfdancer]

I have used a combination of telpathic suggestion and energy manipulation for Healing in the past (specific case was a friend's toothache).
I totally agree with that last sentence, Jaci.