Psi same laws like other energies?

[confuded92]

Do the same laws aply to psi energy like to the others?

Example: an electric curent traveling long distances becomes weaker, does psi energy does the same thing?

My opinion: No, distance does not effect psi energy.

Please state you opinions, logic etc.

[TC]

I agree that distance has no effect on psi, but I don't think any of us know enough about psi to even make a general hypothesis on how it moves. We don't even have a way of measuring it, nevermind figure out its wavelengths. I really don't have any clue what I think.

[neveza]

It follows basic energy laws, probably Law of Energy Conservation, but that's probably about it. This energy we classify as psi, is very mysterious to science as what it is. Could be anybody guess on what other laws it follows that we have discovered already.

[The Devil's Advocate]

Distance has no OBSERVABLE affect on ACTIVE psi. Yet on a passive level it IS more difficult to hear a city many miles away than the one I am living in. So psi does seem to reduce on some scale. It is just not the SAME scale as some energy forms. Active psi is much more focused than passive, so that could extend the range and limit the observable impact of reduction and dispersion.

~The Devil's Advocate

[TC]

Good explanation. I didn't word it very well.

[confuded92]

DA, i dont get what you realy mean by pasive and active psi...

[The Devil's Advocate]

Passive psi 'stuff you recieve when you're not actually trying to do anything'. Like being able to pick up the emotions of people around you while you're walking down the street not thinking about psionics. Active psionics is "I am deliberately trying to use this skill". Same example "I am deliberately trying to pick up the emotions the people around me are tossing out. It is a different kind of skill use. It is the the difference between what you SEE and what you specifically LOOK AT. I hope that helps clear things up?

~The Devil's Advocate

[confuded92]

I understand how a being could be pasive or active, but psi... How? You mean when raw energy floats around or goes from distanation to distanation it doesnt loose energy on the way, but if Isend a construct to someone it gets weaker? If thats what you mean... I doubt thats what you mean . Exaple: object cant "see" or "look at", it just lies down so its always passive (psi is energy thought not an object), but a person may do an acion "look at" or just sit there and "see".

[The Devil's Advocate]

It is the PSION that is doing this USING psi. The "Passive range" is merely the range at which he or she recieves psionic input. People give off their emotions loudly. My PASSIVE range is how far I can 'hear' normal people and every day empathic 'noise' without 'listening' for a specific voice. Passive = not trying. The PSION is not trying to use their abilties. Like a simple radio that's turned on rather than a satalite that's pointed in a specific direction.

~The Devil's Advocate

[R.]

All that being said, its the current limit of your abilities/senses and not the psi.

[confuded92]

He he, so we are tlaking about a Psion not psi . Does anyone know any scientific tests about mesuring psi? That will be helpfull to the topic .

[neveza]

Heh, there isn't really any scientific tests to measure psionics. If there was, we could have a chance in proving whatever psi is.

[The Devil's Advocate]

Nothing directly measures psi. Some tests have been conducted to measure what psi is NOT. (That is comparing the results of one psi experiment under 'normal' conditions and one where certain forms of energy have been blocked, typically on the end out of direct sight and hearing of the psion.)

Passive and active ranges are determined by the sensitivity of the psion. Their existance at all, indirectly, tells us something about psi.

1) If psi did not disperse or disipate passive and active ranges would be equal. They do not appear to be the same. The data I have gathered from the handful of psions I know off forum and from the discussions over my 2 years on this site. I am inclined to say that there is such a thing as a passive range, and it is NOT the same as an active range.

2) That active range limits cover at LEAST the diameter of the planet (possibly half the circumfrence but that is a mechanics question.) I can scan literally anyone on earth if I can find them.

3) Psi has no perceptable lag over the distances mentioned in 2, therefore must be capable of transversing these distances faster than human reaction to thought alows for. Which puts it as fast as or faster than the speed of light. (There is lag over great distance in electromagnetic radiation, but I am not certain of the exact distances at which those differences be come perceptable specifically in the visual light spectrum since we ARE dealing with human perception.)

These are all observations and logical conclusions based on things that have (so far) been consistent. Can they change? Yes. But we can actually learn a great deal from our own observations. And when push comes to shove... measurments and tools and scales and such are all just ways to let us observe things with more precision or that we normally couldn't with our own senses.

~The Devil's Advocate

[confuded92]

After the post below I realized my mistake and deleted the content of this post. I shall rethink the old content and retipe or not tipe anything at all.

P.S. When I write about ideas and write '"Maybe someone should try this" i dont mean anyone specific and and not forcing anyone to do it. Sorry.

[The Devil's Advocate]

Confuded, you're mangling your phyiscs. Stop. This is the WRONG place for such ill considered statments. Do NOT just string together random theories and toss them out there and expect US to do the work to sort them out. Actually take the time to think them through and use the brains you have demonstraited you have. I do not have time to hash through all your crazy ideas an dtell you, in detail, where you are wrong when you'd see it yourself if you actually THOUGHT about it before you typed it up for everyone to read!

YOU try flaring it and sending it across a football field. You try maintaining the flare for that long over that distance. If you can't scan yet, you shouldn't be trying to figure out the grand mysteries of what psi is. You can't even sense it directly! You're talking about Einstein's theory of relativity and his relationship of mass to energy. And you are doing it badly.

If everything moving at the speed of light had infinite mass, we would have destroyed our planet long ago with radio waves. Or *gasp* the light from the sun! RUN! something with infinite mass is heading towards us! I am not an astrophycisist. I am not a quantum phycisist. I am not Einstein. (I do not want to be Einstein.) There are levels and aspects to this that have not been brought to bear, and tonight I just do not feel like doing your research for you. But there's obviously some exception or light would destroy the universe in short order. Also a football field is NOT long enough to cause a perceptable delay in light. Any delay on a flared psiball would likely be a result of the speed at which the psiball was 'pushed'.

~The Devil's Advocate