-Kinesis

[Leek]

Some people say that pyrokenesis is a nooby word to say, that you might as wel be calling things like "pencilokenesis" but I think that for certain elements, it's excusable like:

aerokenesis-only when making it windy,or making a breeze
pyro" "-flame....
cyro" "-affecting water/ice

for example, only abreveating elements, what do you think?

[confuded92]

Its prety ovious (maybe for me) that those kenesis words are made out of an element and then aded kenises... But i still dont like the idea of 10 billion names. .

For example: if you wana do pyrokinesis you just like use energy manipulation or TK. There is no special way for every -kinesis so why do we have to call it different names? Just because its sounds fancy or because we need to know the greek names for all the elements? Just TK and Psi .

[Leek]

Yes but in certain situations its ok, in my opinion, and yes I do get the kenesis, but I just dont get why people don't want people dont like the names, their are only like 4 names, so why be stressed about it?

[The Devil's Advocate]

Most of the extraneous kinesises are inappropriately applied. Pyrokinesis is NOT specific in any way shape or form. If you take the most liberal definitions of Pyro there should be no Cryo. Everyone keeps misspelling Cryo as Cyro which is a non-existent prefix in the English language. CYRO DOES NOT EXIST. CRYO means cold. CRYO. CRYO. Like 'Cryogenic'. I am getting SICK of having to point this out. What does Pyro cover? MOst people say 'manipulation of flame' then extend it to any form of heat, which completely eliminates the need for cryokinesis. Why? Because COLD is defined as the ABSENSE OF HEAT. Therefore anyone making cold is REMOVING Heat, meaning it would fall under that definition of Pyro. But the Pyrokinesis isn't entirely accurate either. It is MUCH more accurate and MUCH more clear to actually just say what you did with Telekinesis or Psychokinesis. (The difference between those two is this: Do you go with modern parapsychology or the original term which dates back to the logical and philosophical possibility which was considered in ancient Greece?)

How is Aerokinesis any better? You are moving air molecules. How is this any different from moving a psiwheel? What if you moved that flame by moving the air around it? Are you doing Pyrokinesis or Aerokinesis? How do you tell? If you want to play this game I very easily can. I've already explained this once TODAY. Forget explaining it repeatedly in my time on psionline. We've had people come up with Chronokinesis, Geokinesis, Tempurakinesis, every kind of Kinesis that you can possibly imagine. Not four terms, Dozens. What else are you going to allow? Hydrokinesis? Why? What PURPOSE do these terms serve other than to create dozens of little pieces of technobabble to confuse newbies and make them go ‘oo’ and ‘ahh’. Frankly the most common use I’ve seen of them is a form of psionic snobbery. “Oh yeah? Well have you ever done Chronocryohydrokinesis and caused an iceage?”

Actually think about what you are saying. Kinesis is the same root as 'Kinetics' which is the principle, in science, of motion. What are you, at the root of all this MOVING? Matter. What differentiates that from everything else we do such as move things with fork lifts, hands, gloves, chopsticks, forks, etc? The fact that we are doing it without physically touching it. We are doing it at a distance. Hence the original term Telekinesis: “Motion at a Distance”. No matter what you are doing THAT is the least confusing way of stating it. Psychokinesis is, perhaps, marginally more precise, though it has its draw backs it breaks down to “Motion with the Mind.” Which if we’re right in our assumptions about psi, is accurate. If we are not right and there is some other mechanism involved that we do not yet understand, Telekinesis becomes the more accurate term again.

I have spent several years as a professional linguist and frankly, I am tired of terms that people make up because they think they sound cool or use because 'well such and such author used it!' It is pointless and confusing. It is not based in any reasonable etymological source. It is people hashing things together randomly because they don’t have a clue what they’re actually doing and it SOUNDS cool. Or at least they think it does. It’s getting to the point where it just sounds STUPID. Nothing else. People using terms they don’t understand or made up out of their fifth points of contact because they don’t want to be bothered with actually accurately describing what they’re doing.

THAT is what is wrong with all those excessive, idiotic, pointless other –kinesises.

~The Devil’s Advocate

Note: That was both barrels, do not make me bring out the artillery or antiaircraft guns. Stick with the shotguns while you can.

[TC]

"Holy monkey, did you just see that?"
"Sure did, DA just stole the football from her own quarterback, threw it to herself, and scored from the 1 yard line to the other endzone."

Now, we never have to go over this again, do we people? This is a thing that comes up several times, but after this, I don't think anyone can bring it up again. It's not really possible to argue this anymore.

DA pretty much said everything that needed to be said, but I was just going to mention this again if it's already been said.

By making all these kineses, I think someone said in another thread that it would be easier than saying "manipulating heat through telekinesis". But by saying pyrokinesis, you now have to define pyrokinesis and tell people what you mean by it. It would, in fact, take even longer using this false terminology, not even taking into account that these terms, as DA explained, are completely incorrect.

[Leek]

I guess i'm just to lazy to say "Kenesis with flame"

[The Devil's Advocate]

That doesn't tell us anymore than "pyrokinesis". You're still just going to have to explain the whole system. Just like you would with the other term. An actual complete answer is "I lit a candle with Telekinesis." This tells us SPECIFICALLY what you did. "I did pyrokinesis" So what? What did you DO? Did you set a candle on fire? Did you set your HOUSE on fire? What did you actually DO. That is what we are concerned with. And when you start getting into that it's all just Telekinesis.

When I describe empathy I describe what I do, unless there is a very specific situation that does have at term. "Empathic overload" is usually understood. As Overload is another concept that is rather regularly and consistently applied to psionics. But I don't say "I am a receptoempath or a projectoempath". It's not so much a matter of lazy in terminology as in lazy in DETAIL. And you're going to have to give Detail anyway to get your point across. So drop the term and drop the excuses.

~The Devil's Advocate, who may have just given herself another article to write

[Leek]

DA,i'm just saying that we should debate the certain times that we can say pyrokenesis,like when your asking in a forum "Who can help me with pyrokenesis?"

[TC]

Why not just be correct by saying, who can help me manipulate flames? I'd rather be correct than be incorrect after being corrected.

[Leek]

yah that could work...

[surge]

Does it really matter? It's annoying, I know. If your a member of a site that uses one term, it is not that hard to fit it.

[The Devil's Advocate]

Yes, it really does matter. "Can you help me with Pyrokinesis" is VERY vague. Some places define Pyro as anything that has to do with heat, some limit it ONLY to flame. It is not a precise term at all. THAT is why. It is better to be CLEAR than to make up terms just becuase you don't want to fill in the needed details.

~The Devil's Advocate

[surge]

Ohhh, I see what you mean. By the way, does anyone know who the best person is on or off this site for getting help in Tk.

[The Devil's Advocate]

I'd recomend No_One 2000, but I'm not sure how active he is anywhere online. I think he's one of our 'life is eating them alive' types.

~The Devil's Advocate

[NightHawk]

I thought I had to study these words to know what they are, they just made them sound complicated. Why did we specify "using psi to move object" and named it psychokinesis and telekinesis then?
Are these just original words we're supposed to use?