Psi Energy Models, and Shielding

[rayndragon06]

I am going to play around with various models of psi energy.

The first model will be with one that I find most valid. Let us talk about neurology.

The structure of a neuron consists of the soma, the axon, the dendrites, and the termni with the termni buttons attached spread over a synaptic gap.

Long story short depending on the action or resting potential charge of the message, a bio electric impulse is sent through the soma and through the axon. Through the axon it goes through the dendrites where it reaches the termni buttons which house neurotransmitters which flow into synaptic gap where it is received have and or reabsorbed.

You have sensory neurons, inter neurons, and motor neurons. It is a dance between electric nervous impulses and bio chemicals.

Neurons can be found within the central nervous system, the ANS, and the perphial nervous system. They operate on similar operations.

With human consciousness, you have the thinking consciousness mind, the pre consciousness, the unconscious mind, and the part of the mind that is responsible for receiving stimuli from the nervous system. This one is tied closely to the nervous system. If punch you, that part is responsible for transmitting that sensation to the brain where is interpreted by that branch of consciousness where it is relayed to the other ones.

Let us say that this "Psi" energy is excess or re channeled nervous energy. The human consciousness is attuned to only perceive so many things inside and out.

For example, most people are unaware of what happens inside their body, however, if that consciousness is narrowed they are able. It is like looking at a table and seeing only its shape, then looking more closely and seeing its texture.

That being said, if I narrow my consciousness through whatever means and consciously moved or energy from nervous function or processes, is this not the consciousness affecting matter. Therefore, would it not be a form of psychokinesis.

However, energy in physics is not malleable. Field is to a certain degree, but not energy. Most people use the concept of "psi" energy as a paradigm. They focus on this concept through whatever means, which narrows the consciousness. But here is the problem. How does the person know that they are manipulating "psi". How can they tell it apart from whatever it is they visualized or imagined?

I have also come to find that "psi shields" or "psi constructs" are not constructs of energy, but rather thought forms. For example, I am suffering from an overload. The concept of a wall embodies and conveys a barrier. So if I focus on wall, a barrier is created within my psyche, due to the fact that the symbol represents barrier. It requires no energy. It is simple a mental concept erected up. "Psi shields" are thought forms or concepts that embodie whatever it is that the person wants.

For example, I want a shield that blocks anger. I visualize a bubble of energy ot a shield or whatever that blocks anger. It is not an actual field of energy, but rather an erected thought form that took on the attributes that willed within in it.

[The Devil's Advocate]

Could you then, explain the ambient Psi that is readily scannable, yet does not seem to be produced by anything? There is no point source, there are no 'currents' that would imply motion that would be necessary to renew such an ambient source if its sole producers were the nervous systems of creatures. This level of ambient psi appears constant across the places I have been and scanned. If it was produced by the nervous systems of creatures (especially humans) it would be of higher concentrations in areas where there are higher concentrations of life, and especially humans. This is not so. (When the middle of the Arizona desert has the same ambient amount of psi as LA... you have to question that theory of yours...)

The 'it's all in your mind' theory has several holes. First Psi actually affects reality (TK) which means there must be a medium by which concepts interact with reality. The concept itself must be capable of creating force, by your model. By what means does this concept exert force in order to create motion?

Energy as we currently understand it is not maleable. Our understanding of the function of energy and matter and specific kinds of each is constantly changing as we can observe greater and greater amounts of the natural world. The laws of Aerodynamics say that bumblebees and helicopters cannot fly. Are they wrong? No, they're just not all inclusive. There are other factors in play.

Then you have the interaction of mind to mind... your model here has just precluded the model you posted in your other post in the Advanced forum. If it is all concept there is no other real 'place' because there is nothing but the concept, no energy, no matter, just the concept which cannot be caught and painted green. (Physics does not deal in things that cannot be caught, measured, and messed with in some way shape or form.)

Shielding is one of my specialties. If it is just the concept, I would never have had to learn to sheild, I already had the 'wall' concepts in place when I was introduced to Psi from my years working on my own with this namless gift. Yet, there are different types of shields, there is a distinct, scannable structure to psi and psi constructs that is perceivable not just by the psion who created it but anyone else who cares to scan it.

To me it seems you are confusing the process with the result. You have stated programing techniques as if they WERE the constructs. The building plans is if they were the building. Yet a blue print of a storm shelter will not protect you from a tornado. You have to build the storm shelter.

~The Devil's Advocate

[rayndragon06]

I told you what I believe "psi" to be based of what I synthesized with neurology. I did not say that it did not exist, I said that it is not the thing that shields against empathy/telethapy. I don't use constructs. I have no need for them. Most of the empaths/telepaths that I have come across all agree that the energy is not important in holding the shield together but the focus and the intent behind it.

"The 'it's all in your mind' theory has several holes. First Psi actually affects reality (TK) which means there must be a medium by which concepts interact with reality. The concept itself must be capable of creating force, by your model. By what means does this concept exert force in order to create motion?"

Read up in neuroscience. Scientists are investing time into what is called the cemi field theory.

This is a quote

"However, all electrical circuits - and that’s basically all neurones are – generate an associated energy field, known as an electromagnetic field or em field. This field contains precisely the same information as the circuitry that generated it. However, unlike neuronal information, which is localised in single or groups of neurons, the brain’s em field will bind the neuronal information into a single integrated whole.

This consciousness electromagnetic information field (cemi field) theory may sound far-fetched, but it rests on just three propositions. The first is that the brain generates its own em field, a fact that is well known and utilised in brain scanning techniques such as EEG. The second is that the brain’s em field is indeed the seat of consciousness. This is far harder to prove but there is plenty of evidence that is at least consistent with this hypothesis. Em fields are waves that tend to cancel out when the peaks and troughs from many unsynchronised waves combine. But if neurones fire together, then the peaks and troughs of their em fields will reinforce each other to generate a large disturbance to the overall em field."

In other words consciousness is a type of field. Field can influence other things, including itself.

Here is perception:

"Many cognitive psychologists hold that, as we move about in the world, we create a model of how the world works. That is, we sense the objective world, but our sensations map to percepts, and these percepts are provisional, in the same sense that scientific hypotheses are provisional (cf. in the scientific method). As we acquire new information, our percepts shift, thus solidifying the idea that perception is a matter of belief. Abraham Pais' biography refers to the 'esemplastic' nature of imagination. In the case of visual perception, some people can actually see the percept shift in their mind's eye. Others who are not picture thinkers, may not necessarily perceive the 'shape-shifting' as their world changes. The 'esemplastic' nature has been shown by experiment: an ambiguous image has multiple interpretations on the perceptual level."

Let us put that together. We create our reality from our perception which is stimuli taken from the senses. Everything that is experienced is experienced and known through consciousness, which neuroscientists are starting to find it is a field. The medium is consciousness.

As far as "psi" being photographed, I believe psi to be nothing more than redirected, excess, or random bio electric energy from the nervous system. The only visible part of the EMR spectrum is light, so therefore it is invisible to the human eyes.

It is not a life force found in all living things. That is common esoteric thinking that confuses subtle energy on esoteric realms with the subtle energy found in physics.

More than likely comes from the nervous system, so consciousness interacting with the nervous system by creating whatever type of paradigm (psychological model of the world) is likely to get a controlled response. Meditation narrows consciousness to internal stimuli, that is why it is a common practice that is taught. By narrowing consciousness, you become aware of what is going on you and you are more able to influence it.

"(Physics does not deal in things that cannot be caught, measured, and messed with in some way shape or form.)"

It is called quantum physics.

"Collapsing the wave function


A quantum system is represented mathematically by a wave function, which is derived from Schrödinger's equation. The wave function can be used to calculate the probability of finding a particle at any particular point in space. When a measurement is made, the particle is of course found in only one place, but if the wave function is assumed to provide a complete and literal description of the state of a quantum system -- as it is in the conventional interpretation -- it would mean that in between measurements the particle dissolves into a "superposition of probability waves" and is potentially present in many different places at once. Then, when the next measurement is made, this wave packet is supposed to instantaneously "collapse," in some random and mysterious manner, into a localized particle again. This sudden and discontinuous "collapse" violates the Schrödinger equation, and is not further explained in the conventional interpretation.



Since the measuring device that is supposed to collapse a particle's wave function is itself made up of subatomic particles, it seems that its own wave function would have to be collapsed by another measuring device (which might be the eye and brain of a human observer), which would in turn need to be collapsed by a further measuring device, and so on, leading to an infinite regress. In fact, the standard interpretation of quantum theory implies that all the macroscopic objects we see around us exist in an objective, unambiguous state only when they are being measured or observed. Schrödinger devised a famous thought-experiment to expose the absurd implications of this interpretation. A cat is placed in a box containing a radioactive substance, so that there is a fifty-fifty chance of an atom decaying in one hour. If an atom decays, it triggers the release of a poison gas, which kills the cat. After one hour the cat is supposedly both dead and alive (and everything in between) until someone opens the box and instantly collapses its wave function into a dead or alive cat.



Various solutions to the "measurement problem" associated with wave-function collapse have been proposed. Some physicists maintain that the classical or macro-world does not suffer from quantum ambiguity because it can store information and is subject to an "arrow of time", whereas the quantum or micro-world is alleged to be unable to store information and time-reversible (Pagels, 1983). A more extravagant approach is the many-worlds hypothesis, which claims that the universe splits each time a measurement (or measurement-like interaction) takes place, so that all the possibilities represented by the wave function (e.g. a dead cat and a living cat) exist objectively but in different universes. Our own consciousness, too, is supposed to be constantly splitting into different selves, which inhabit these proliferating, non-communicating worlds.



Other theorists speculate that it is consciousness that collapses the wave function and thereby creates reality. In this view, a subatomic particle does not assume definite properties when it interacts with a measuring device, but only when the reading of the measuring device is registered in the mind of an observer (which may of course be long after the measurement has taken place). According to the most extreme, anthropocentric version of this theory, only selfconscious beings such as ourselves can collapse wave functions. This means that the whole universe must have existed originally as "potentia" in some transcendental realm of quantum probabilities until selfconscious beings evolved and collapsed themselves and the rest of their branch of reality into the material world, and that objects remain in a state of actuality only so long as they are being observed by humans (Goswami, 1993). Other theorists, however, believe that nonselfconscious entities, including cats and possibly even electrons, may be able to collapse their own wave functions (Herbert, 1993).



The theory of wave-function collapse (or state-vector collapse, as it is sometimes called) raises the question of how the "probability waves" that the wave function is thought to represent can collapse into a particle if they are no more than abstract mathematical constructs. Since the very idea of wave packets spreading out and collapsing is not based on hard experimental evidence but only on a particular interpretation of the wave equation, it is worth taking a look at one of the main alternative interpretations, that of David Bohm and his associates, which provides an intelligible account of what may be taking place at the quantum level. "

You check out a book called "What the Bleep Do We know."

"Thus, although Bohm rejects the view that human consciousness brings quantum systems into existence, and does not believe that our minds normally have a significant effect on the outcome of a measurement (except in the sense that we choose the experimental setup), his interpretation opens the way for the operation of deeper, subtler, more mindlike levels of reality. He argues that consciousness is rooted deep in the implicate order, and is therefore present to some degree in all material forms. He suggests that there may be an infinite series of implicate orders, each having both a matter aspect and a consciousness aspect: "everything material is also mental and everything mental is also material, but there are many more infinitely subtle levels of matter than we are aware of" (Weber, 1990, p. 151). The concept of the implicate domain could be seen as an extended form of materialism, but, he says, "it could equally well be called idealism, spirit, consciousness. The separation of the two -- matter and spirit -- is an abstraction. The ground is always one." (Weber, 1990, p. 101)"

[innerfire]

This is interesting, because every empath/telepath I've come across, including those who just dabble in the skill mention how they need to shield.

"So if I focus on wall, a barrier is created within my psyche, due to the fact that the symbol represents barrier."

The problem with this logic is there is an alternate explanation you cannot easily rule out: subconcious constructs. I've accidentally made partially functional constructs with much less focusing than that process you described entails. As such it makes more sense to me more likely that you are making fairly functional subconcious shields when you go through that process.

"Most of the empaths/telepaths that I have come across all agree that the energy is not important in holding the shield together but the focus and the intent behind it."

That does not necessarily imply that shields do not incorparate energy. It is true that focus and visualization are more important as there are finer structural details that can be more powerful than a simple high energy design. Without a full, in-context version of what they said I'd be more inclined to believe that is what they meant.

"It requires no energy."

Even if it wasn't a shield and was more of a mental barrier, that would still likely be wrong. In order to oppose a force an equal and opposite force must be applied. What would happen theoretically is such a mental barrier would have to draw off the user's personal store of energy whenever it was required to block something.

"It is not a life force found in all living things. That is common esoteric thinking that confuses subtle energy on esoteric realms with the subtle energy found in physics."

And yet there is evidence to indicate that psi is present in lower level lifeforms. High level psions have found psi present even in plants which has been brought up in other posts. Again it seems more likely to me that experienced scanners *didnt'* screw up, and this proposed theory is at the least slightly flawed.

-InnerFire, who will leave the more indepth physics points to people more suited to handle them.

[rayndragon06]

I am an open minded person, but I have not heard of any discoveries concerning universal psi energy. I would like it if you gave me some research so I could look into it. As far as me and my friends who are also empaths/teleptahs, shields work horribly for us.

We do not use shields. The problem with me is that I am not trying to keep things out, I am trying to keep myself in. I could always sense things beyond the shield. That defeated the purpose. As far as the energy counterpart, I am not convinced that psi in the sense that most people talk about is real. I can see energy, but the same energy that I see with people that could be called psi I see with everything and normally it is because it has a high concentration of magnetic energy.

The shields that we created with let us call energy did nothing forus. By creating shields within our consciousness and shifting our perception we were able to block things out.

How do I say this. Let us call the mental activity an ocean or a skyline. I elevate myself over the ocean and the skyline, so I do not get all of the interference. It also has a dual affect, because it makes it so that I am very hard to lock onto.

I used to use other people as shields a long time ago. I would hide behind the thoughts/emotions of the person in a sense. For example, I was getting hit with all tops of nonsense. I would tap into a persons complete memory of an event and use that as a shield. If it was feelings and thoughts that I did not like I took on the opposite ones. Like this person reliving the most depressing day of his life complete with memories, thoughts, and emotions. I would tap into happy feelings of someone near me and use that as a block.

When I do not want to be sensed or locked onto, I will use another person as a shield. I will hide behind their emotions/thoughts

Normally, I would use my own thoughts and feelings to crowd the others out. I would ooze out my own thoughts and emotions and use them as a blocker.

For example someone is feeling depression. If my anger or happiness or fear is stronger than that of the person, it cancels it out.

I use my thoughts, and emotions, and mental constructs as shields. They use no "psi" energy what so ever. Normally, I have my consciousness narrowed only to my feelings and my thoughts or I have it on a different height than other peoples feelings and thoughts. It is better than typical shielding in my opinion. Shields can fall and crumble and be corrupted. This way is purely the strength of my mind and my not ability to manipulate energy.

[innerfire]

It must use *some* kind of energy for the reason stated before. It takes energy to repell a force. So for your method to function it would require some amount of energy.