Odd Construct???

[seraphy]

Ok, this THING has had me irritated for about a week now. I believe it to be a construct, but at the same time I don't. First the explanation, I performed an experiment involving psi-energy origins and such and it went a bit haywire so to speak. This thing was a result, it seems like a construct yet there are key differences, it doesn't require energy and it doesn't have a specific programmed task, in other words it seems to learn from what I can tell which is limited because my experiment seems to have hindered my abilities rather badly. Here's the main problem, everyone I've asked to attempt to scan it has failed, not even my friend who has practiced scanning for a LONG time can't even get anything from it. On top of this, I keep getting these stray thoughts floating into my head that I can tell are obviously not my OWN thoughts, like a random 'good morning' or something strange like that, so either I've created something incredible or I'm losing my freaking mind, which I doubt. Anyone got any thoughts on this, if not any helpful tips? Also if someone can actually scan it then I would greatly appreciate it.

Another note that I just remembered. Whenever someone mentions it, hints towards it (even when I'm not around the person that does), or thinks about it, it just seems to show up and start filling my head with random thoughts. Found this out when I heard "You still sick" in my head and my friend called me later asking if I got his message... I swear he knows something I don't...

[The Devil's Advocate]

Ok, caveate all this assumes I scanned the right person and includes many conclusions based on my own experience.

I can pick it up. It IS a construct, and the probable reason there are issues scanning it is that it is NOT psi-based. It's Astral energy type. It is not a standard psiball. It is, as far as I can tell more anogulous to a 'link'. Will that account for everything? Probably not. Simpler answer: Build a telepathy shield. That should help weed out any truly random 'stray thoughts' you're picking up on.

I can clean it up for you if you like though it'll probably be tomorrow. I've shut this sort of thing down before. The construct itself is mostly benevolent. The thing that it's 'linked' to much less so. Again if I'm scanning the right person. Have you dealt much with Astral shields? I can send an example your way if you like? I've been using them for a while since I keep getting attacked from that quarter and have been for years.

As for your friend: He may be a telepath and you may be alot more receptive, which would help confuse the 'random comment in the the head' issue.

Basic summary: You've pushed yourself into more telepathic sensitivity or torn down some kind of barrier/protection that existed... and you've attracted the attention of something Astral side that has decided to toy with you for some reason. (I know they do, their reasons are still beyond me.)

~The Devil's Advocate

[confuded]

Oh my... This is serious... I am getting scared... Why do the astral creatures/minds go for anyone? I dont like the fact that astral minds can just wonder through psionic constructs and posses them! Very scary! I might have something or someone on the astral plane which wants to get to me and i dont want that to happen... *clings his teeth*

Though i am safe... I have external protection from a different source...

But it is still scary...

[seraphy]

Feb 9, 2008 16:29:18 GMT -5 The Devil's Advocate said:

Ok, caveate all this assumes I scanned the right person and includes many conclusions based on my own experience.

I can pick it up. It IS a construct, and the probable reason there are issues scanning it is that it is NOT psi-based. It's Astral energy type. It is not a standard psiball. It is, as far as I can tell more anogulous to a 'link'. Will that account for everything? Probably not. Simpler answer: Build a telepathy shield. That should help weed out any truly random 'stray thoughts' you're picking up on.

I can clean it up for you if you like though it'll probably be tomorrow. I've shut this sort of thing down before. The construct itself is mostly benevolent. The thing that it's 'linked' to much less so. Again if I'm scanning the right person. Have you dealt much with Astral shields? I can send an example your way if you like? I've been using them for a while since I keep getting attacked from that quarter and have been for years.

As for your friend: He may be a telepath and you may be alot more receptive, which would help confuse the 'random comment in the the head' issue.

Basic summary: You've pushed yourself into more telepathic sensitivity or torn down some kind of barrier/protection that existed... and you've attracted the attention of something Astral side that has decided to toy with you for some reason. (I know they do, their reasons are still beyond me.)

~The Devil's Advocate

I think you're right when you say it's benevolent and I'm starting to sort out the random thoughts somewhat. I'd actually rather you not clean it up because I'm finding that it reacts to others around it and so far it's been for the good, that and I'd like to actually examine it. If something goes wrong then I'll definitely get your attention about it, but if you want then I'd love to know how to do it myself. Although I know this is probably risky, I'm not gonna learn more about my little experiments if I don't take a chance.

Though I would like to know if you can tell me a bit more about astral energy seeing as I don't look into it much other than dealing with OBE as well as how it is possible to make something out of astral energy

[The Devil's Advocate]

I say get rid of it. The construct may be benevolent. That doesn't mean the thing USING the construct is benevolent as well. IT is most assuredly NOT it's just sneaky. This isn't 'just a little risky'. This is 'hunted for the rest of your life to the brink of insanity' level of risky. Been there done that. I'll talk to you more about this in PM. Let's just say messing with the Astral casually is like going over Niagra falls in a barrel. It might not kill you and it might be a rush... but you're not going to be happy with the results most of the time.

~The Devil's Advocate

[cbad]

Wait, so something on the astral plane linked to him with a construct made out of astral energy so psi would be pretty much useless? It's trying to act nice and filling his head with random thoughts.

I know next to NOTHING on the astral plane but even I can see the "GTFO of there!!!" sensors bleeping. Please, for the love of God, don't figure it's just "a nice little construct my friend made" because in all likeliness that's what it wants you to believe. Don't let your guard down and let DA help you. She has experience. I however do not. So off to the library for me!

(question: could it really be his friend and he did all this while on the astral plane or can only astral native minds do that. I've never tried astral projection (and I probably never will))

[jaci]

"Why do the astral creatures/minds go for anyone?"

No idea, probably some rhyme or reason behind it somewhere. I'm starting to suspect energy source? (Possibly, I've only had scattered run ins with it in that form (and most of those have been down right scary) so may I be wrong there with the motive). Do you reckon they go for energy workers over non-energy workers or it's just we're more likely to pick it up?
Yep I'm with the others. If you're not sure where a construct's from or what it's doing, I'd be inclined to get rid of it.

[confuded]

I think I can get info on my own question. But it isn't simple... This is beginning to get serious... I shall post this in the 'soul' thread in D&D...

[seraphy]

Feb 10, 2008 4:08:05 GMT -5 The Devil's Advocate said:

I say get rid of it. The construct may be benevolent. That doesn't mean the thing USING the construct is benevolent as well. IT is most assuredly NOT it's just sneaky. This isn't 'just a little risky'. This is 'hunted for the rest of your life to the brink of insanity' level of risky. Been there done that. I'll talk to you more about this in PM. Let's just say messing with the Astral casually is like going over Niagra falls in a barrel. It might not kill you and it might be a rush... but you're not going to be happy with the results most of the time.

~The Devil's Advocate

This might be a small surprise, but I actually have been to the 'hunted' part you're talking about. The thing that was basically hunting me, I can only assume is pretty ticked about it's current locked up status. I understand what you're saying DA, I realize the risk, but not taking a risk is gonna leave my experiments to mean nothing. I'll be honest, this is probably the most retarded thing I could pull just to learn a bit more, but sometimes finding an answer to something possibly big is normally insanely risky. If I'm right about my theories then I might actually figure out how to push the current limits of psionics and find a way to use psi energy faster and in a more controlled manner. I won't deny the fact that this is more then a 50%-50% chance of me getting an unwanted result, but I'm willing to attempt it. If you were to ever talk to any of my friends, you'd find out just how willing I usually am to push the limit of 'retarded idea moments'. Besides, the whole possible outcome doesn't scare me in the least, I've been through more then enough of my share of crap to have learned to keep calm under serious conditions.

Also, I'm not thinking of it like it's completely benevolent, I simply think of it as a way to find out more, I'd have no second thoughts about getting rid of it. I might be weak right now, but I still have tricks up my sleeve, that's something I learned to make sure of a LONG time ago.

Also, I never said it was trying to be nice to me, all it ever does is stay around me, most of the thoughts I get (which I've actually started to sort out) are more or less close to it asking me what I'm doing half the time, otherwise it just leaves randomly. It basically act like a bored little kid that can't find anything to do, I still don't let my guard down though.

[The Devil's Advocate]

Have you tried tracking it back to its creator?

I can tell you what I think the 'something big' is. The astral plane is VERY high energy. But the price of that energy is so high it's not worth it. The more you pull on THEIR energy source the more they notice you, and the more they have access to the inside of YOUR head. I have only some idea what attracted them my direction initially but I've been fighting them off for around 15 years now (I honestly don't remember when the first attack was specifically, and I've only been actively capable of fighting them since january '05, the rest was only half-believed in guessing). The stronger I get, the stronger the attacks get, though they have also gotten more sporadic.

I can tell you a great deal about what you want to learn about the Astral. And frankly the way you're talking, what you describe here and in PM, and the nature of the construct you haven't tapped an extra source of PSI, you accidentally tapped the astral which is why this thing latched onto you in the first place in my less than humble opinion. Trace it back to it's owner. Make your judgment there, and don't count on trapping ANY of them predominantly. You can get pretty much all the information you need out of scanning. No OBE and other form of Astral access needed. It's also easier to avoid detection. Easier but by no means easy. There's a reason my Astral shields are my strongest. This is not a well considered risk. This is recklessness for very little gain that could not be gotten through other means.

Why us? From my observation there's a limit to what they can do outside of the astral. They seem to go for people who are more vulnerable or have otherwise caught their eye. I caught their eye mostly by being 'centered' a little closer than most to the astral. A friend of mine scanned me and picked up on the slight difference in how I 'worked' psionically as compared to him and the 'average' he was familiar with. He's been at this actively longer than I have.

~The Devil's Advocate

[seraphy]

Feb 11, 2008 10:58:54 GMT -5 The Devil's Advocate said:

I can tell you a great deal about what you want to learn about the Astral. And frankly the way you're talking, what you describe here and in PM, and the nature of the construct you haven't tapped an extra source of PSI, you accidentally tapped the astral which is why this thing latched onto you in the first place in my less than humble opinion. Trace it back to it's owner. Make your judgment there, and don't count on trapping ANY of them predominantly. You can get pretty much all the information you need out of scanning. No OBE and other form of Astral access needed. It's also easier to avoid detection. Easier but by no means easy. There's a reason my Astral shields are my strongest. This is not a well considered risk. This is recklessness for very little gain that could not be gotten through other means.

~The Devil's Advocate

You're more then likely right, but that makes me wonder... I've been doing these experiments for awhile now, why haven't I attracted the attention of other ones yet? Dumb luck maybe? or is it possibly something more? I'm not saying it wasn't dumb luck, seeing as that seems to revolve around me, but you never know. At any rate, I'm cutting off my experiments for now. I'm starting to get a feeling in the back of my head that I'm screwing around with something that was never meant to be messed with and it feels worst than the astral. This is the first time my fears have actually stopped me from trying to learn something. As for the construct, I've already had it taken care of so no more random thoughts popping into my head. I can pick up at a later time, maybe when I'm much more prepared to deal with the headaches

[confuded]

So you are saying, DA, that if yot draw astral energy you get their attention. But if you get so much of their attnion, maybe you are drawing astral energy somehow.

Its just a logical thought...