New Idea about PsiBalls

[Leek]

Well, I've just come up with acool way to see if you've actually made a psiball.Heres how I htink this would work:

You get a barometer, put your hands on each side, and make your psiball, now if you make the psiball right, there should be a change in pressure,in which the barometer should be spinning. Theoretically,this should work.

What do you think?
P.S. currently looking to buy a barometer,where can i get this by the way lol.

[The Devil's Advocate]

Why would there neccissarily be a physical change in preasure?

It would be an interesting theory to test out, but if you know you've made a psiball and the barometer doesn't register... then we know not all psiballs change local atmospheric preasure.

~The Devil's Advocate

Note: You can also MAKE a barometer... though I'm going to have to look up exactly the proportions. The cat/dog water dishes with the big tanks that don't over flow the bowl when turned upsidedown? Are essentially barometers. They're using atmospheric preasure to keep from overflowing.

[Leek]

I see your point DA, but I was thinking that if you actually make the psiball over or around the barometer, it would be able to change? Because I thought that there would be a change in air pressure do to the presence of the psi-ball.I'm glad that I can make a baromete too lol yay I don't have to steal on from my old middle school now! =-p

[Lady Hawke]

This is much more appropriate to this section than to the General BS section. It is actually relevant to the site and this section was designed, as its title implies, for discussions of constructs such as psiballs and their programming.

~Lady Hawke

[The Devil's Advocate]

Thank you, Lady Hawke,

Leek, I was specifically wondering what observations had led you to believe one would cause a change in barometric preasure.

~The Devil's Advocate

[Leek]

devilsadvocate said:

Thank you, Lady Hawke,

Leek, I was specifically wondering what observations had led you to believe one would cause a change in barometric preasure.

~The Devil's Advocate

Well, because when I made my 4th/5th psiball, I asked my mom to put her hands through the psiball for a sec, and then without me having the psiball there, she said that she felt "more pressure" when I had the psiball. I thought that I was the only one who felt the pressure until she said so, from that I got the barometer idea,I thought that maybe too help noobs like me who make weak psiballs, I would have the psiball actually between my hands.

[The Devil's Advocate]

It would, definitely be an interesting experiment to do, if we could get a sensitive enough barometer. I'm not sure how MUCH preasure change a psiball would generate if that is how it actually functions. Note: I'm not saying it's not possible or even probable, it just needs to be tested, I'm rather stuborn that way. I'll try and have that home-made barrometer instructions found sometime in the next couple of days. It doesn't have to measure standard barometric preasure even, we just have to be able to register a change.

~The Devil's Advocate

Side note: If this does pan out, I'm not sure I fully want to know. Proving Psi exists is not high on my priority list.

[Leek]

devilsadvocate said:

Side Note: If this does pan out, I'm not sure I fully want to know. Proving Psi exists is not high on my priority list.

Well, with all this talk about Psi, and all these beleivers ect, I'm pretty sure it does exist

I'll check it out later, I asked my dad if it could work, and he said it's probable, though I told him:

"Dad,hypothetically, if you could get a ball of energy to surround a barometer, would it change the air pressure?"

Note:The day I tell my dad about psi is the day he finds me on the Hoover Dam holding a rubber chicken with a time bomb

[The Devil's Advocate]

Oh I'm sure it exists. But I'm not eager to prove that to the very easily paniced masses out there that individually can be calm, collected, and intellegent, but collectively have as much common sense and IQ as a herd of lemmings.

For the preasure change it would depend on the type of energy and how it was interacting with the actual physical matter. (Sorry in physics right now so getting a nice wonderful refreasure on this.)

They brought up a point I had neglected. (It's been a while since my last detailed physics course.) Energy is actually DEFINED as 'the ability to do work.' Work is typically defined as the ability to cause displacement on some level. So depending on how the energy actually interacted with the system and what FORCE that energy applied... Because energy that does not get converted into force does not become work, therefore does not create movement. No movement of air molecules means no change in airpreasure. The results of this experiment would definitely imply many things about psi. What, we'd have to see the results to say.

Ok enough of a physics ramble, you've gotten my interest. I'll see what I can do on my end as well.

~The Devil's Advocate

[wolfdancer]

I look forward to hearing about the results. I wish I had the time to help with the testing.

[TC]

As I was reading, I was going to say:

Leek: Keep in mind that it only takes one counterexample to prove that not ALL psi constructs affect barometers. Changing the hypothesis to psi constructs CAN affect barometers might be a better choice.

But that comment seems irrelevant now that the experimentation has already begun. Methinks I'll also test this out myself. ;-)

[diruo]

devilsadvocate said:

Oh I'm sure it exists. But I'm not eager to prove that to the very easily paniced masses out there that individually can be calm, collected, and intellegent, but collectively have as much common sense and IQ as a herd of lemmings.

I am just curious. How have you proved to yourself that it exists up 'til now? Did you have some sort of affirmation that it is there, or have you just assumed it existed?

I think the barometer thing is a great idea by the way. We should check other things as well. Temperature perhaps.

[The Devil's Advocate]

I know the question was not directed at me, and I have NO inclination to prove any of this to the masses, but it is something I feel compelled to comment on. My reasons for believing are closer to personal affirmation. In my case it was personal EXPLAINATION for an ability I have used since childhood. Up until about 2 years ago, I had attributed all the receptive and projective Empathy I have used to being 'Good at reading people' and 'Force of personality,' respectively. Having someone throw up a shield around you (without warning you) when you have been unshielded with a rather substantial (Miles) passive range is a very dramatic difference, and proves the point rather nicely. Especially when your other option is rapidly becoming a padded room and one of those funny jackets that makes you hug yourself. I don't like those jackets. I don't like me enough to want to hug myself all the time!

More seriously, there was a marked difference. The closest analogy I have found is you work in a building where there is always a certain level of conversation going on. It is a decent volume throughout the day, and sometimes becomes painfully loud/distracting, but most of the time it's just THERE. It gets to the point you no longer notice. One day, for no apparent reason it simply turns off. There is suddenly TRUE silence where before you had just been, even on a subconscious level, ignoring the noise. You practically didn't realize it was there until it was gone... and when it was gone the lack was crystal clear.

Most of the people here have various reasons for believing: They always have believed, their belief system incorporates it, they stumbled on to something, they are curious, and then there are a few of us who are here, and believe, because the alternatives the world offers us are much, much, much less pleasant.

~The Devil's Advocate

PS The old timers will recognize parts of this speech.