Art Of Psychic Dice

[psychicdice]

When I look at posts from newbees, locked up and alone in their basements, clenching and failing to nudge a pencil, paper clip or pin wheel with their minds, I see the mistake.

Art Of Psychic Dice is about the relationship between telekinesis and casino craps. The basic idea is that if two heads are better than one, three and better than two and ten are better than three.

One of the places that TK played out for me was at a craps table, but if you understand the principles in my book, there is no reason that you can't apply them in your basement with all your friends partying together:

artofpsychicdice.com/

"Let he who is without guilt be the rolling stone." - Archie Bunker

[The Devil's Advocate]

I find myself very skeptical of your book. Your refrences aren't what I would consider credible sources and your statistics are skewed. You claim that fully half the population of the US likes to gamble, on what are you basing your statistics? Are you counting all the bridge clubs in the country? If so your statistics are very, very skewed. If you're going off the reported number of "People through Vegas" you don't appear to be taking into account the repeat customers, of which there are a huge number.

You also claim that that 252 million americans believe in the paranormal. Given that the population of the US is a bit over 303 million people, I think your definitions are a bit vague for what you're going for. If you're counting the people who are religious and believe in miricles, believe in what this site defines as psionics, the superstitious ones that believe in ghosts and boogie men, the ones that believe anything they hear, and pretty much everyone else that doesn't actively worship science then you might hit that number, but it's not a really accurate picture of the people who are honestly going to take anyone claiming to be able to teach them how to cheat at dice using Telekinesis and get rich seriously.

You don't have any recomendations from people in the field of parapsychology who actually have credibility. The Rhine institute for example (the Journal of Parapsychology is theirs.) and the The Journal of the American Society for Psychical Research.

Note, volume 26 on the last one dates back to 1932, and the Rhine institute and their journal have been doing research in the area since 1931. The Society for Psychical Research (Which is in Great Britain) published their 11th issue in 1903. I think you need to vary your sources because currently your statistics and sources make your book appear to be more of a hoax and a fraud than any serious work. (The topic isn't helping but that's a different issue.)

~The Devil's Advocate

[Stony1205]

I have to agree with DA's view on this one. Sorry bud.

~ Stony

[psychicdice]

>>I find myself very skeptical of your book. Your refrences aren't what I would consider credible sources and your statistics are skewed. You claim that fully half the population of the US likes to gamble, on what are you basing your statistics? Are you counting all the bridge clubs in the country? If so your statistics are very, very skewed. If you're going off the reported number of "People through Vegas" you don't appear to be taking into account the repeat customers, of which there are a huge number.

You have me somewhat on the source for the 150,000,000. I used 50% of the population which was the percentage I had in my memory from a newspaper back in 1975 when I originally came up with the idea for and did most of the original research for this book.

When I wrote the cover copy, I didn’t go back to the library to search all the 1975 San Francisco Chronicles for what was probably a three or four line reference.

However, yes, I am counting everybody who likes to gamble, including the bridge clubs and private poker games. Most people like to wager – almost everyone I have ever known. True, many many of them learned early on that that don’t have the skill to beat the casinos, so they don’t bet money that they can’t afford to lose.

They aren’t hard core, but if they pick up Art Of Psychic Dice in a bookstore, I want them to know that they are potentially in league with a huge mass, not a stigmatized minority. As a statement of fact, my estimate is extremely low.

>>You also claim that that 252 million americans believe in the paranormal. Given that the population of the US is a bit over 303 million people, I think your definitions are a bit vague for what you're going for. If you're counting the people who are religious and believe in miricles, believe in what this site defines as psionics, the superstitious ones that believe in ghosts and boogie men, the ones that believe anything they hear, and pretty much everyone else that doesn't actively worship science then you might hit that number, but it's not a really accurate picture of the people who are honestly going to take anyone claiming to be able to teach them how to cheat at dice using Telekinesis and get rich seriously.

I was using Michael Schmicker’s Best Evidence (Writes Club Press, 2000). In Chapter One: he wrote, “Take for example, the June 1990 national Gallup Poll on “Psychics and Paranormal Phenomena.” A whopping 93 percent of Americans polled believed in one or more of 18 paranormal phenomena ….” (The Gallup Poll, Public Opinion 1990, Wilmington, DE; Scholarly Resources, 1991, pp. 87-91. Survey on Psychic and Paranormal Phenomena.”

Later in the chapter, Schmicker says that other polls show that 50 to 75% of Americans believe in the paranormal. I would like my pitch to appeal as wide a customer base as possible.

I don’t know if you have ever spent any time at a craps table, but the dominant subtext is PK – including the casinos. Everyone there is trying to will the dice to fall the way they want them to. Art Of Psychic Dice is about the game within the game in that venue, so no one is cheating the House.

>>You don't have any recomendations from people in the field of parapsychology who actually have credibility. The Rhine institute for example (the Journal of Parapsychology is theirs.) and the The Journal of the American Society for Psychical Research.

Thanks for reminding me. I asked for permission to send them my manuscript for cover comments early on, but didn’t hear back. Tomorrow I will mail a published copy for review. If you have a longer list of credible parapsychological organizations, I will be sure to forward them copies. I can use as many endorsements as I can get.

Jeffrey Mishlove who is the first American to achieve a Ph.D. in parapsychology did graciously say: “I find this book to be delightful and stimulating. It is written with humor. And, it is grounded in a knowledge of the mechanics of gambling as well as of the parapsychological research.”

>>Note, volume 26 on the last one dates back to 1932, and the Rhine institute and their journal have been doing research in the area since 1931. The Society for Psychical Research (Which is in Great Britain) published their 11th issue in 1903.

I am not certain what these are references to.

>>I think you need to vary your sources because currently your statistics and sources make your book appear to be more of a hoax and a fraud than any serious work.

My book isn’t written for a handful of academics. I was shooting for as large a customer-base as possible. In fact, I am still afraid that the writing itself didn’t aim low enough.

If you had read Psychic Dice in manuscript form, I might have taken your advice, but I am not going back now. The numbers are what they are. If they are real, variance is doesn’t matter.

>>(The topic isn't helping but that's a different issue.)

Probably just the opposite. Mammals love games. Lions and wolves teach their young via games how to chase, trip and bite prey. Humans grow up playing as much as they can and they extend it into their adulthoods as often as possible. Just look at the amount of cash spent on professional sports, canasta and casinos. At one level, intellectuals in universities are doing nothing but playing in their way at what they love.

To combine the paranormal with gaming wasn’t invented by me. Why do you think that magic shows thrive in Vegas? Writing about the casino reality isn’t hurting any of your endeavors. I am just telling the truth the way I see it.

Arguable the more of our population who get interested in the paranormal and want answers, the more likely it is that cash will free up to finance such endeavors.

[The Devil's Advocate]

The date references were this: While the people at the Rhine may not have had degrees in Parapsychology, that was because when they started their research there was no such degree. You left out the people who have been doing the research in the area for between 70 years to a CENTURY. The ones who could have given you real feed back, then again if you presented it to them as you presented it to us? You may have a time of it convincing them you're not just another scam.

The three big ones in english are the ones I mentioned. The Rhine Institute, The American Society for Psychical Research, The Society for Psychical Research (Great Britain). Those names reoccur repeatedly in my research into the topic.

The point of the fraud comment is this: You've given me zero reason to believe your numbers ARE real. You've already said you're interpreting the statistics as favorably to yourself as possible, which means you're ignoring the cold hard fact that while most people may believe in something supernatural, you're going to have a hell of a time convincing them that you're doing anything other than trying to scam them out of their money. Which it is what it reads like you're doing. By the by, in those poles they DO include religious miracles and pretty much every conceivable strange occurrence possible. It's called "Statistical Interpretation" which in the statistical circuts is more commonly known as "Lying with Statistics". Sorry not biting.

You are not "telling the Truth". You are attempting to make a profit. There is a difference. You wrote yet another "Get rich quick" scheme. One out of how many hundreds upon thousands out there? Please do not market it on this site, especially not under the guise of TRUTH! That word takes enough of a beating as is. The truth doesn't change because of how YOU see it.

Oh, and not all of us are in this for the 'game'. I have other games I would much rather be playing. This is the game of "Survive without getting stuffed into a little white jacket that ties in the back and locked in a rubber room and forgotten." It's books like this that make it so hard for us to get practical, useful anything done with the topic of Psionics. It's things like this that get us tagged as frauds as well as lunatics. Consider that before you say "This isn't hurting any of your endeavors."

~The Devil's Advocate

[psychicdice]

>>The date references were this: While the people at the Rhine may not have had degrees in Parapsychology, that was because when they started their research there was no such degree. You left out the people who have been doing the research in the area for between 70 years to a CENTURY. The ones who could have given you real feed back, then again if you presented it to them as you presented it to us? You may have a time of it convincing them you're not just another scam.

As I said in the last post, I didn’t leave the Rhine people out. Looking for an endorsement, I asked them to read my book and no one responded. Possibly I should have followed up with more emails and tried calling them – but I can’t twist their arms and I am busy.

On the other side of the argument, I have people yelling at me for quoting Rhine’s work, saying that it has been totally discredited. In fact, I need to get a lot more up to speed on that issue. If you know of anyplace to look that summarizes that issue, I’d appreciate you pointing me there. It is on my long range (one to two weeks) To-Do list to ask them for their side.

Early on in the process, I did contact Rhine’s people and asked if he had ever done a study to measure the amount of improvement in using PK to move dice if one practiced. They answered that he never conducted that research.

To reiterate, Jeffrey Mishlove isn’t exactly an amateur when it comes to paranormal credentials.

>>The three big ones in english are the ones I mentioned. The Rhine Institute, The American Society for Psychical Research, The Society for Psychical Research (Great Britain). Those names reoccur repeatedly in my research into the topic.

I’ll contact them, but I have no intention of waiting for them grant a thumbs up or down.

>>The point of the fraud comment is this:

You misstated your idea the first time around. What you said was that I was, “…claiming to be able to teach them how to cheat at dice using Telekinesis and get rich seriously.” As I said, this has nothing to do with cheating at dice. Craps tables are competitive and everyone is trying to use their PK to influence the dice. Anyone who reads my book is going to learn how to better do combat in that arena.

>>You've given me zero reason to believe your numbers ARE real. You've already said you're interpreting the statistics as favorably to yourself as possible, which means you're ignoring the cold hard fact that while most people may believe in something supernatural, you're going to have a hell of a time convincing them that you're doing anything other than trying to scam them out of their money. Which it is what it reads like you're doing. By the by, in those poles they DO include religious miracles and pretty much every conceivable strange occurrence possible. It's called "Statistical Interpretation" which in the statistical circuts is more commonly known as "Lying with Statistics". Sorry not biting.

The two numbers you attacked are statements of fact. Yes, I do interpret the number of 150,000,000 million Americans who like to gamble by using a statistic from the San Francisco Chronicle over 30 years ago. But ultimately this statistic is interpreted downward – way down. The real number is much higher. For one thing, I rarely ever meet a person who has never visited a casino. The rest of this argument is in the previous post.

The 252,000,000 is also factual. It doesn’t matter whether you like people who believe in miracles or ghosts. Their experiences in life tell them that the paranormal is real and they have said so. I believe that 17% of those asked said that they thought that PK/TK was real, but I am not trying to market to just the ones who already believe. I want as many of the consumer-base as possible to want to take a look inside.

Art Of Psychic Dice isn’t for everybody. If it doesn’t grab you, don’t buy it.

>>You are not "telling the Truth". You are attempting to make a profit. There is a difference.

Of course, I am making a profit, but that doesn’t mean that I am lying. Both of the numbers you attacked are good.

>>You wrote yet another "Get rich quick" scheme. One out of how many hundreds upon thousands out there? Please do not market it on this site, especially not under the guise of TRUTH!

This book doesn’t say that everybody who reads it is going to get rich. It is about the relationship between psychokinesis (the ability to move objects with your mind) and casino craps. The idea is to focus merged consciousness to agree, honestly emotionally - at as deep a level as possible - to direct collective psychokinesis. In other words, if two heads are better than one, three are better than two and ten are better than three.

If you understand the principles that I make the case for in Art Of Psychic Dice, there is no reason why you can't apply them to bumping a paper clip across a table with your mind, to faith healing, to influencing games in sports venues, to shooting craps, or anything else you and your friends want to work on.

>>That word takes enough of a beating as is. The truth doesn't change because of how YOU see it.

You haven’t even read my book. You don’t have a clue how I see it.

>>Oh, and not all of us are in this for the 'game'. I have other games I would much rather be playing.

Now you are twisting my words. All I meant was that most enjoy their paranormal endeavors and that ties back to some extent to their innate human love of games.

>>This is the game of "Survive without getting stuffed into a little white jacket that ties in the back and locked in a rubber room and forgotten." It's books like this that make it so hard for us to get practical, useful anything done with the topic of Psionics. It's things like this that get us tagged as frauds as well as lunatics. Consider that before you say "This isn't hurting any of your endeavors."

Hey, I am in agreement with you. Back in the early 70s, when this project began, you had to be somewhat careful whom you spoke to about the magical, metaphysical & spiritual. I really didn’t like the snubs and contemptuous looks so I began this book. Here’s the Afterward here just to make the point.

[Lady Hawke]

Sir, your posted excerpt breaks one key rule and approaches breaking another key rule of this site, as outlined in the Policies and Procedures by which, by registering for and posting on this site, you have stated you will abide. Specifically your excerpt has completely disregarded the rule concerning religious debate. Such topics may only be broached with prior moderator approval, you have not gained such. Your excerpt could be taken as deliberately inflammatory and as a measure to distract others from the main point at hand, both deplorable tactics, in addition to being in blatant disregard of the stated rules of this site. You have also made minor mention of combat on a psionic level, while the specific line may have been intended as metaphorical to the competition within games of chance, it was not clear and is hedging dangerously close to another rule (as the second point mentioned above) in the Policies and Procedures. Discussion of combat on any level and in any form is proscribed in a similar manner to religious debate.

I have read the introductory passage of your book as found on the website for which you provided the link. It does, indeed, appear to be a "get rich quick" as the Devil's Advocate so bluntly termed it. There are several flaws in the theory and based on the sound of your writing I would say you have never actually attempted this yourself, but you have stated you do not care to hear any form of constructive criticism; therefore, I will leave my analysis of your work and its numerous flaws there.

Your statistics are factual. They are also misleading. They do not accurately represent what you endeavor to imply they represent. This is a common advertising tactic, but has no place on this site, neither does an attempt to sell a text of dubious usefulness and questionable quality. This does not bode well for your abilities to analyze the data in your book, nor does it speak well of your ability to differentiate relevant fact from irrelevant fact, which further speaks poorly for the book you are attempting to persuade us to purchase. We are a private site, not a commercial one. The purpose of the Links and Advertising forum is to make available, in a single location, links to and advertisement for information sources. Please refrain from posting purely commercial endeavors.

If you do not intend to actively contribute to the discussions on and purpose of this site, you may leave.

This thread has been locked and inflammatory material deleted.

~Lady Hawke