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Post by innerfire on Nov 6, 2008 17:47:41 GMT -5
No, creating beings isn't what I mean. What I mean is can my friends JOIN me on the astral plane. And for DA, Leodragons definition is the only one of the "4" Im looking for.*facepalms* You do NOT look for definitions that specifically describe what you want. Not all definitions are valid, and not all of the things described are safe, even if they're valid. Because by your stance in this topic, I or someone else could have produced information that sounded good but was designed to hurt you should you have tried to execute it. It's a total violation of the rules and ethics to do so, but when you're only listening to the person that says what you want to hear, how are you going to avoid this kind of situation? And there *ARE* sites that do this, either intentionally or accidentally. If you spend enough time looking around the internet, you'll eventually run into places like Wingmakers, where people in this community and other sites have agreed that some of the stuff described on the site is downright physically harmful to attempt. It's for your own good to listen to this, you're not going to last very long otherwise. You don't have to immediately accept everything that's said, but you should always pay attention to everything that's being said, it's the best way to identify warning signs about certain ideas. This is the internet, not everyone always is right or completely right, and it's certainly true that not everyone has to tell the truth. You have to be careful.
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Post by leodragon on Nov 6, 2008 17:52:40 GMT -5
It's VERY easy to end up in the 'wrong place' in the grand scheme of things, and it's very easy to trick yourself into thinking you've gone somewhere or built something that doesn't exist and then project the concept (not the creation) at someone and share the IDEA, and have that idea have no bearing on any tenuous grasp on reality.So if you actually want to pull any of this off you BETTER be aware of what else is out there, even if you don't agree on what it's called. Uhhh, it doesn't physically exist. It is a mental creation. You are on a shared mental plane. A person is using ESP to percieve the creations on that plane. You don't have physical sensory organs to percieve anything, so EVERY thing is sensing a telepathic/emotional construct via ESP. ALL communication is telepathic/empathic. You are not physically speaking, physically traveling, or physically seeing anything. It is all mental. Creations on the astral plane are all mental, and not physical, so that telepathic thing is an actual thing on the astral plane. Sharing that idea leads to sharing that particular landscape. You are sharing that mental space, so to speak. Creating a mental representation of something is YOUR landscape. It is YOUR'S. You are not really going anywhere except away from YOUR body. He is asking how to create his own location from his dream. It isn't that complicated. It can be done by simply imagining. The concept exist on the mental plane. From that he can just project into that imagined thing and it is real. A person can pick up on that concept, telepathically, and enter that , so they can share that location. It is a mental manifestation. A concept. The difficulty is that you are trying to put physical things on a non physical landscape. Non spatial. That means NO reference to space or distance or anything like that, so there are NO static locations. Trying to pin point it will yield different locations leading to different definitions. We aren't having a problem in definitions. You are speaking about something that is not mental and something else. Other areas outside of the mental domain, which have not been shown to have the inkling of existing AT ALL. I am talking about the mental domain, which there is some inkling of existing. We are discussing two different things, not different words for the same thing. It is not very complicated. Astral plane is equal to mental plane, so all mental things compose the astral plane. Sharing an idea, fully projected on the astral plane, leads to sharing that landscape. All communication is telepathic/empathic. EVERYTHING is perceived via ESP, because you don't have physical organs. Keep in mind I am speaking about consiousness, or a conceptual and abstract thing, interacting with other conceptual and abstract things, and non consiousness interacting with physical things (OBE). ALL you need to know that the astral plane is mental, so anything is possible.
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Post by snowballrox on Nov 6, 2008 18:42:30 GMT -5
...can other people join my mental plane? ...I can feel things in dreams so why not on the astral plane?
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Post by leodragon on Nov 6, 2008 23:18:34 GMT -5
Technically, that dream is a mental landscape at that time, so you can just have people join your dream, so to speak, or as wolfdancer said, dream walking.
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Post by wolfdancer on Nov 7, 2008 21:44:40 GMT -5
Thank you, innerfire!!! I appreciated that post. Leodragon, thank you for your clear explanations of what you are referring to. It is very helpful. I will need to speak with DA and make sure I follow the definitions that she is referring to as well. I am not as familiar with some of what is being discussed across the broad spectrum of the paranormal as I feel that I should be.
~Wolf
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Post by goliath797 on Nov 8, 2008 19:58:45 GMT -5
I haven't read any of those posts.
Let me just say this.
Since this topic is very controversial, try it yourself.
Make the decision carefully however. Keep your standards low and your hopes low. What you get may not be what you want
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