The Devil's Advocate
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Post by The Devil's Advocate on Feb 5, 2008 9:05:40 GMT -5
You might want to look into more efficient construction/programings that do the same thing? I've discovered that the sounder the structure of the shield is, the less maintinence it requires. Mine need tweaking maybe once a week. Then again I've got a self-maintinence layer built in. If it's going to block energy it might as well strip it of the dangerous bits, and absorb the rest to keep itself going! Not 100% but it definitely keeps the shields going longer. ~The Devil's Advocate
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Post by confuded on Feb 5, 2008 11:03:19 GMT -5
Sounder means simpler? Meaning the shield cao have the same programing, but a plain structure?
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The Devil's Advocate
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Post by The Devil's Advocate on Feb 5, 2008 12:42:31 GMT -5
No, "Sound" meaning well made/well planned/well thought out. Something with very complicated structure can be soundly built, while something very simple can be very fragile. It is EASIER to make something simple also be sound, but it is not necissary.
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Post by innerfire on Feb 5, 2008 14:00:23 GMT -5
*Agrees*
I've seen both approaches. I go with very ornate designs to give my shields structural strength, but a lot of the mods from Psionic Social Club claim to use more simplistic designs backed up by a boatload of confidence.
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Post by confuded on Feb 5, 2008 14:17:33 GMT -5
Oh, thanks for the clarification . WARNING: long tale ahead! I had made another attempt of the same hedge shield. It wasnt very sound , but the programming was the same. The difference this time was the enviroment. It was in the schools small library. There was a speaker giving a speach to my year and year above. I had came in late and wen behind all of the others, next to a wall and layed on the floor (we have clean carpets ). The only thing which was blocking me from the view of the speaker was some guy on a chair. At some point he was out of the room. People surrounding the emty chair found it amusing to expose me to the view of the speaker and moved the chair away. The speaker started glancing at me and the guys, which moved the chair, were also glancing and gigling like sily girls. At this point i throw my shield on. Guess what? It worked insantly after i set my shield! Now, again i had a problem: if someone tried to look at me or pay any sort of attention, the shield started to fall apart. At first, when whoever was paying any attention, tried to look back at me. I thought the shield would colapse, if heavy reinforcement wasnt provided. From what i observed, it seems like the shield is week for two possible reasons (besides my poor programing). One: the very lack of telepathic suggestion practice. Two: not enough tine and energy is been put into the shield. These are the possible reasons, whici i think are more likly.
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Post by cbad on Feb 5, 2008 17:44:49 GMT -5
Has anyone here played Majora's Mask? Because this sounds just like the "stone mask" that you get int there, you don't turn invisible or anything, just nobody notices you. Anyways if that is the case then what you are pretty much doing is making it so that if people do see you then they just won't care and you'll seem inconspicuous. This would give protection to the casual glance but unless you directly use telepathic suggestion on everyone there it's not going to help you if someone gets it in their head to directly look at you. Like if I was just looking around a classroom and you were reading a book instead of listening I wouldn't notice you but if I was taking attendance an I thought "now where does confuded sit again?" and peered up to look for you then the shield's suggestion isn't going to work because although you may not be important, I still know where you are. Your shield sounds like it is directly trying to counteract people looking at you and it just doesn't possess the enormous amount of energy that would require. Try to make it a bit more subtle is all I can say.
(have I completely missed the point?)
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Post by jaci on Feb 5, 2008 20:16:49 GMT -5
Simpler is not always more sound, they are often more stable though particularly when working out the basics of how something works in my oppinion. For example you may be able to have a few related constructs each with its own program that work synergistically rather than 1 more complicated one. Once you work it out, can often combine the programming into one unless there's a good reason for not doing so.
I often find it easier to get a single program to stick rather than multiple ones when getting the basics of them. Also if you have a single construct and something goes wrong because it's unstable/not working properly, the whole construct will often disintergrate (and then you need to work out what caused the failure). An example for a while ago is when I was learning how to make reflective shields which could work in a much higher "noise" area. I had one construct (shield) which was reflective and a 2nd back up that was attached to th inside of it that would draw excess energy out of the shield and ground it once the reflective program was starting to get overloaded. Since the 2nd construct had nothing to do with reflecting energy, it wasn't as easily disrupted by it and worked better for the time being, and each being a simpler construct than combined, made them easier to make, (which is nice in high "noise" areas, just another bonus).
Anyways rambling as usual, um yeah. Have a look at the way you're designing the shield and maintenance programs. It may or may not be possible to break it up into more basic components and get those right individually before combining them.
The other thing that might work better is what cbad's suggesting, more of an "indifference" projection type of thing. Project a feeling of people looking past you, not being interested in your general area, Not regestering you're there. Like with the "hedge" shield metaphor ("nothing to see here, just a boring hedge, keep on walking *grins*). Probably easier than trying to force people not to look at you, I'm not sure if that's what you're trying. With the indifference type projection, it's not that people won't be able to see you, it's more that they don't really register that you're there, or think to pay much attention to it. It can still work very well for that purpose. Hope that kind of helped.
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Post by confuded on Feb 6, 2008 3:49:56 GMT -5
Well, thats what i am doing ;D. I was just describing what was happening. Oh and blocking all TP and EM signals is just sort of a default... I dont even do EM, the programing is just a precaution sort of thing... Thanks for all your replies . Its helpful .
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The Devil's Advocate
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Post by The Devil's Advocate on Feb 6, 2008 7:31:54 GMT -5
EM as in energy manipulation or EM as empathy?
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Post by confuded on Feb 6, 2008 8:07:25 GMT -5
Oh, that maybe what was causing the confusion the other day... Sorry, i picked it up in a PM mesege and thugh it was Empathy, but now i see it mean Energy Manipulation.
I ment empathy.
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The Devil's Advocate
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Respected Member I will deflate your theories and claims with ye olde pointy stick of logic.
Est autem fides credere quod nondum vides; cuius fidei merces est videre quod credis.
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Post by The Devil's Advocate on Feb 6, 2008 9:03:10 GMT -5
It can also mean Electromagnetic. It's not the worlds clearest acronym... In all honesty TP's only a little better. ... most people don't speak about gathering information or communicating using toiletpaper. ~The Devil's Advocate
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Post by Namdas on Feb 6, 2008 19:33:02 GMT -5
If you still are having trouble getting it to work 100%, I'd suggest practicing with Animals (like, seeing if they notice you while you use it.) When they stop noticing you as you use it for long durations, maybe it's time to practice on people.
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Post by confuded on Feb 7, 2008 10:39:05 GMT -5
I think i am ok practicing WITH people. I dont see many animals anyway...
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Post by Namdas on Feb 7, 2008 15:37:37 GMT -5
I think i am ok practicing WITH people. I dont see many animals anyway... Sorry, wrong choice of words in my post.
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Post by confuded on Feb 7, 2008 20:01:35 GMT -5
Its alright . I was being very techinical there. If you bothered reding the whole thread, i do have success with people .
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