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Post by rayndragon06 on Sept 6, 2007 8:03:47 GMT -5
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Stony that depends on the person to say that the best way to shield yourself is kind of ummmm not good. The best defense that I have is my will, my emotions, and my thoughts and it works VERY well for me. The worst for me is the typical way of shielding that you are talking about. There are different methods for different people and to call one method immature is very arrogant of you (no offense). A little background about myself. My will manifests. In other words if a person is attacking me, that part of my mind, my will, will make adjustments. If I am being overloaded, I use a piece of my mind (will, emotion, thought, whatever) to block out the others. In order to hold a shield like the ones that are mentioned requires comeplete focus for me, which I can not do and drive my car at the same time. It would be stupid of me to keep using a method or defense that does not work for me. And it is not just about willing out anything.
The best method of defense is whatever is good for that person.
Now if that works for you, good, for you. As far as addiction, I have never been addicted to anything in my life. It seems like and slightly feels like you have a problem with me, Stony. I am sorry if I caused offense. If you would like to, you can PM me telling me how, go ahead, but derailing a conversation over something that was not even part of the thread in the first place ( the philosophy that tells you not to shield at all was not part of the thread at all unless you count the fact that I said I am bad with energy manipulation), was kind of extreme.
A good defense would be a combo of both. If a person drains energy and your shield is made up of energy, they will just drain it, programming and all. Constructs are also made of energy so they would just eat that too. Therefore it would require conscious will, conscious interacting, and maybe some shielding. Shields that "ring the alarm" are good if they are still intact.
Using layers of shields may slow a person down a little bit, but after awhile, they eat through those shields like acid. If you create a shield that makes it so they can not lock onto you and if kind of blocks them out, that may help depending on the person.
When your shield comes down, then what? Keeping this on defense (combat's not allowed), what protection do you have? The only protection that you have is your mind and the will not to be hurt. If you use that as a barrier, it can not be drained and it buys some more time until other actions are taken. What if your shield falls and you are in the middle of that mess and you are an empath or a telepath and all of the "mental" noise comes rushing in? You have this person to deal with then that to deal with. If you try and make a new shield, that one will get eaten too.
What if you are around someone who is draining your shields on accident in the middle of a crowd and you are an empath or telepath? What if your shields just fail on their own?
Heavily shielded "strong psions" show up on my radar as yummy treat. That is probably why they are more prone to being attacked then another one. Most, like me, have self control and move on. Some just like to just nibble or just test. If one took a serious liking and all you had was shields, you are in deep shit.
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Post by xpwarrior3 on Sept 6, 2007 10:41:24 GMT -5
Shielding isn't just about the energy that one puts into it. Programming is also a big part of that. If one's shield was just energy a lone, then I can understand the situation where it would be ineffective against leeches. If one's shield was not just energy alone, but solid, stable programming as well that guards against leech attacks, then I don't see how the shield itself would be ineffective.
Of course the shield would loose energy, but the programming would still remain in tact (unless of course the leech is designed to or has in mind to eat programming as well. In that case we technically do not have a leech at work). A shield is also a construct and just like any other construct, it is the extention of your will. So I don't see how you could down play the conventional methods of shielding when they work well for someone else, just as your method works well for you.
In all honesty, I don't see much difference between the two. The only difference between yours and the conventional method is that you decided not to consciously add energy work to it.
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Post by rayndragon06 on Sept 6, 2007 10:58:21 GMT -5
Shielding isn't just about the energy that one puts into it. Programming is also a big part of that. If one's shield was just energy a lone, then I can understand the situation where it would be ineffective against leeches. If one's shield was not just energy alone, but solid, stable programming as well that guards against leech attacks, then I don't see how the shield itself would be ineffective.
I was not downplaying it, I am just saying it depends on the person and it depends on the situation. And define programming. Programming, to my knowledge, is ingraining what you want it to do, therefore, it is mental framework for the construct. It is something stamped into it, therefore, it would get absorbed along with energy from the construct, unless that mental framework was interactive.
People use a combo of both. They create a mental construct in their mind and then use energy and then imprint that mental function into the shield, which holds it together. However it is imprinted into the shield, so if the shield gets absorbed, so does the programming. If not, it no longer has anything to bind to so it just drifts off unless the person was doing it consciously or it became so natural that the subconscious mind automatically reacted as what happens.
In basic shielding and constructs the programming tells the construct or shield what to do and the construct and shield carry it out. If there is no construct, there is nothing to carry the action out and therefore there is no defense say your mind. Someone can make a shield with the programming to filter this type of emotions out. The shield fails and so goes the programming so they get swamped unless they use the mental framework to create a barrier within their mind.
In all honesty, I don't see much difference between the two. The only difference between yours and the conventional method is that you decided not to consciously add energy work to it.
That is the difference. That is a big difference depending on who or what is attacking you and what type of person you are. Personally, before I got control over it, I was known to break down the shields of those around me. I would be around a person and completely drain their shields programming and all.
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Post by innerfire on Sept 6, 2007 11:51:50 GMT -5
There's countermeasures to programming draining/sabatage that are fairly easily to put into place (slightly harder to keep up but that's another story). I developed a design a long time ago that would make that kind of attack very difficult to pull off.
I'm still not sure about this barrier thing of yours, I can see how it might work vs blocking sensitivity based things, but certain attacks should be able to rip you to pieces without a conventional shield up. Even if you take its resistant force as a matter of willpower there's the idea of determined groups of attackers (which does happen if you really manage to piss someone off), who should collectively be able to force it down. I just take the "if this is so great, why haven't we heard of it before?" approach with this, which is usually a wise point to bring up, no offense meant.
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Post by rayndragon06 on Sept 6, 2007 14:53:04 GMT -5
That would be redudant. If you put up another one that one would be drained to and after a while it would be exhausting. It would be means of a stall and would buy time until other measures could be implemented.
Let me see if I can explain this. When someone tries to influence me or projects an overload of thoughts or emotions, I use my own to cancel it out. If that does not work, I tap into another person's and use it as a barrier or a block added to my own. When someone aims to try and gain information from me, my emotions and thoughts act as a block. If a person is doing something with energy, most of the time I do not even notice it. My body automatically strips and drains energy and if it is too much it floods it out in a type of grounding.
I mostly do not have any shields in the context that you are talking about. Attacks normally do not phase me at all. My mind automatically blocks them or my body drains the attack or floods it out or shifts it. When I said shift it either deflects it in a sense or it flows through me and is sent somewhere or someone else. Links made to me are forced to be broken, due to the fact that my body automatically reverses it and pulls things from them.
I have been attacked by a group of pissed off people. I can split my focus. How do I put this. My mind grows tentacles and arms representing a different concept that is controlled by its center. Each one of the tentacles acts as a barrier in a sense and each barrier is formed from a piece of my mind or someone else's. That is the best way I can explain it. Emotions and thoughts are not the same energy that is used in psionics. You can say they are created from a different substance so the substance of a thought or an emotion defends or interacts with them. If you think that explain locality and non locality (thing in physics saying that one thing can not arrive at another instantaneously).
Empathic or telepathic attacks and overload are dealt with empathic or telepathic blocks created from emotions and thoughts from me, someone else, or a series of other people. Attacks consisting energy are automatically drained. So there is no need for me to have a shield in the sense you are talking about. My friends call it my natural shields. My mind and body take care of itself. And I am not offended. Not everyone works like me. I walk around without any shields in the context that you are talking about and I am perfectly fine. Different things for different people, as I said before. I am rather unique.
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Post by xpwarrior3 on Sept 6, 2007 20:23:41 GMT -5
I was not downplaying it, I am just saying it depends on the person and it depends on the situation. Oh, my mistake. Sorry, I misinterpreted. Programming, to my knowledge, is ingraining what you want it to do, therefore, it is mental framework for the construct. It is something stamped into it, therefore, it would get absorbed along with energy from the construct, unless that mental framework was interactive. That is the contemporary definition of programming. I agree with it, but I view it somewhat differently. I understand completely where you're coming from, now. My initial post sounded the way it did because I misinterpreted what your post said. I, personally, have a different view on the topic of constructs and programming. To me a construct is none other than a mass of energy with programming, but the programming is the will and the energy is a "buffer" and encasement for the will. I view the two as separate of each other, but both occupying the same space and functioning through symbiosis, so-t0-speak. That has always seemed to work well for me and has held up well against leeches. I don't 'embed' my programs into a mass of energy to create a construct. That all goes back to your initial statement where you said it depends on the person and the situation. With that said, I can think of nothing more to say, unless something catches my attention and inspires me to reply. Again, sorry for my misunderstanding.
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Post by symphonyx on Sept 10, 2007 6:09:07 GMT -5
I've read through the posts and I just have an inquiry about the draining thing/leeching thing. Isn't it as simple as turning yourself off? You can't drain if there's nothing to drain.
I'm beginning to wonder if I have to be thankful for being a normal person seemingly devoid such abilities (and included risks). All your talk of people attacking people (psionically of course) is starting to worry me. The other threads also have this topic. But apparently, those non-psions have never been affected by all these.
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Post by jaci on Sept 10, 2007 8:02:57 GMT -5
"I've read through the posts and I just have an inquiry about the draining thing/leeching thing. Isn't it as simple as turning yourself off? You can't drain if there's nothing to drain."
Not that simple I'm afraid, although I'm not quite sure what you mean by "tuning yourself off". I'm gathering you mean attempting some kind of "shutdown" of sorts which I don't think would help in that circumstance?
"I'm beginning to wonder if I have to be thankful for being a normal person seemingly devoid such abilities (and included risks). All your talk of people attacking people (psionically of course) is starting to worry me. The other threads also have this topic. But apparently, those non-psions have never been affected by all these."
In my experience, deliberately launched attacks are for the majority of people are not common unless provoked (I realise there can be exceptions to this). Non-psions can be attacked, although not being as likely to draw that kind of attention it could be argued that it'd be less common. Non-psions are probably on the whole less sensitive to attacks however they also generally have less in the way of defenses as well. They're also less likely to recognise an energetic attack. Keep this sort of thing in mind, but I'd try not to get too stressed out by it.
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Post by ryakoth on Dec 24, 2007 15:05:40 GMT -5
Wouldn't stability of a shield without focus on it be something you could program into the shield. You can program a shield to take the energy it needs without being fed and unless it is a very energy intensive array, or you are using psi on something else strenuous it shouldn't even be a distract you to have a fixed shield up.
As to using other peoples thoughts and emotions as a buffer for attacks, wouldn't that put those people at risk, unless you draw from emotional/cognitive residue, which would only work effectively near a large crowd. Also could you explain what you would do if the person you were using as a buffer were to be capable enough mentally to be a threat to you, or decided to push the flow of psi attacking you with his own mind?
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Post by innerfire on Dec 24, 2007 18:33:34 GMT -5
Yes you can program in some stability into shields, I've tried to work on that. It takes some work to get it right but with the right structure and programming they can get pretty sturdy.
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Post by ryakoth on Dec 26, 2007 0:55:50 GMT -5
Is the person I am responding too even still posting?
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Post by innerfire on Dec 26, 2007 3:09:57 GMT -5
Nope, he left quite some time ago.
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Post by Fearn on Dec 28, 2007 23:27:01 GMT -5
I never did figure out how he left...
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Post by goliath797 on Dec 30, 2007 12:52:08 GMT -5
I've read through the posts and I just have an inquiry about the draining thing/leeching thing. Isn't it as simple as turning yourself off? You can't drain if there's nothing to drain. I'm beginning to wonder if I have to be thankful for being a normal person seemingly devoid such abilities (and included risks). All your talk of people attacking people (psionically of course) is starting to worry me. The other threads also have this topic. But apparently, those non-psions have never been affected by all these. I didnt want to read through everything above. But um, lookign at that first paragraph there, leads me to believe why shields are ineffective also. IDK what rayndragon was talking about, but for me personally, shielding cuts off my empathic link with people, not trying to, but it does. I have tried fixing this and it is yet with no success. One thing i have learned to do however, is bypass my own shield, which in turn makes my shield weaker since i need to allow a bypass.
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Post by ryakoth on Dec 30, 2007 20:42:51 GMT -5
Weakening empathy is a major reason for shielding for people who get empathic overloads.
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