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Post by Requisite on Mar 2, 2007 0:17:18 GMT -5
Is anyone here familiar with a circle?
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Mar 2, 2007 10:42:40 GMT -5
Post by The Devil's Advocate on Mar 2, 2007 10:42:40 GMT -5
In what context? I can think of at least 7 different kinds you might want to discuss. A couple of those wouldn't be appropriate to this forum.
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Mar 2, 2007 10:53:35 GMT -5
Post by Requisite on Mar 2, 2007 10:53:35 GMT -5
Well then I'm curious as to what those seven are, including the ones that would not be appropriate for discussion; perhaps a mention would not be disallowed?
The circle I was referring to is one whose most commonly known goal is to "shield" or more accurately to say it is a circle of protection, though the true use of circles is much more broad.
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Mar 2, 2007 11:01:31 GMT -5
Post by The Devil's Advocate on Mar 2, 2007 11:01:31 GMT -5
1) Circle, a geometric shape at which all points along the edge are equidistant from the center 2) Circle: A group of people gathered for a purpose (A Bardic Circle for example) 3) Circle: A group of people who are some how affiliated with each other (Circle of friends) 4) Circle: A magickal ward of some description. (Not to be discussed further only mentioned.) 5) Circle: A summoning Circle (Again not to be discussed.) 6) Circle: A Banishing Circle (Again, not to be discussed.) 7) Circle: A Generic term for an area shield usually used by people with some exposure to Majick. Also called a ward. (Differentiated from 4 because this one is psionic, even though the terminology is sometimes the same.) ~The Devil's Advocate PS I can correlate more things if you like, those were just the ones that came to mind at your question.
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Mar 2, 2007 11:17:01 GMT -5
Post by Requisite on Mar 2, 2007 11:17:01 GMT -5
Ah no, that is quite a good list indeed.
I perhaps was speaking in terms of a magical circle, though I think it best blend definitions four, five, and six, because by natural virtue of the circle, upon creation, it protects, summons, banishes, and does much, much more, while keeping in concordance with the will of the practitioner.
For example, if I were to make a circle I might be surrounded by it, warded off for protection. The circle would naturally "banish" all unwanted energies from the inside, in order to protect the practitioner from them; this works in concordance with the last virtue, as once the energies have been "banished" they must be replaced: Lastly, the circle would naturally "summon" the energies of protection and, again, by virtue of the circle, create an invigorating, vibrant field within the circle conducive to practice, meditation, and life.
While most who consider magic to be "wrong" - not to get into a religious debate - magic circles can be both "right" and "wrong". For many of those who shun magic, to create a circle with the intent of summoning some spirit would be to do something that is wrong. Circles can have very "wrong" applications in the eyes of these people.
However, purely "psionic" circles from a psionic perspective seem to lack much of the "oomph" that the magic circles do, not because they CANNOT achieve the proper state, but because the limited mindset of the practitioner disallows proper construction.
I propose a gray area, not to say that there is a gray area between "right" and "wrong", as this is absurd, but that there is a gray area between the normal distinctions between magic and psi. With the proper intent, a psion can also tap into the virtues of a circle, which simultaneously banishes and summons to create a vibrant field of protection - a field that changes the very nature of the air about the practitioner, molding it to his will and creating a field of vibrance conducive to practice, meditation, focus, and life itself. In fact, protection of the circle is only a small part of the full picture.
The reason I mention this, is because many circles I've come across have had a distinct "magic" feel to them, a feel I certainly do not like. Everything else has simply been a psionic "shield", lacking the truest virtues of a circle. I feel, however, that I have encountered the gray area in which the true virtues of the circle are called upon and the true, resonating vibrance is created.
In fact, protection of this circle is of inconsequential matter when you realize the field the circle creates. I suppose that is part of where the circle draws its power, rather than intent/programming finding itself tied within a thick or thin layer of energy, the circle is more of a forceful "field" of protection, which I have found to be much more effective.
I wrote this rather quickly, and I hope that it makes sense. Even with proper writing I fear that English has a way of getting in the way of things.
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Mar 3, 2007 13:33:46 GMT -5
Post by The Devil's Advocate on Mar 3, 2007 13:33:46 GMT -5
You didn't see the note about 'these are not to be discussed' did you? Magick is not a topic of discussion for this forum. You went a great deal into the 'right' and wrong' and actually spoke very little on the psionic nature of the circle, which I assume is the point, nor did you explain how psionic circles were deficient, only stated that they were. Could you please elaborate on those specific points?
I have found 'field' formats to be utterly and completely ineffective at any form of protection. Or frankly at anything beyond a 'hi I'm here' sort of existance, and I'm not following why you think a field is better.
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Mar 3, 2007 14:15:36 GMT -5
Post by Requisite on Mar 3, 2007 14:15:36 GMT -5
Well the thing about the field protection is that I agree, it is inefficient. Oddly enough, circles seem to be different than field methods. The circle seems to be a reflection of your inner self and contains the powerful nature of certain potent concepts such as banishing the "bad", invoking the "good", and protecting the creator. By doing this, it creates a great field in which to practice, an attentive awareness to your surroundings in an enviornment that is now calmed, and a forceful protection. Of what I speak is the circles that I have seen/made that seem to be of neither directly magick or psionic nature. I did not explain the psionic nature of the circle or how psionic circles are deficient because I am not sure of how to do so. Explanations of certain things seem near impossible for me. I was wondering if anyone else had any insight to give from the small bit of information I gave; has had any experiences similar; or has anything to add at all. Again, referring to the "field" things...Shields nor circles seem to look or feel anything remotely like that. My purpose was not to educate or attempt proving a point, but to discuss ideas and discover whether anyone else had ANY insight whatsoever or not (if they had experienced or seen anything like that of which I mentioned). You didn't see the note about 'these are not to be discussed' did you? I read your entire post thoroughly. Namaste
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Mar 3, 2007 14:42:26 GMT -5
Post by The Devil's Advocate on Mar 3, 2007 14:42:26 GMT -5
Then why did you continue to discuss the Magick aspect?
I've scanned several of what you call 'circles' and actually found them far WEAKER than shields, and much easier to get through. The main difference being they were typically less specific in what they blocked.
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Mar 3, 2007 14:45:37 GMT -5
Post by Requisite on Mar 3, 2007 14:45:37 GMT -5
*nod* Any other comments or input that you can share?
As for the magick aspect, I didn't discuss the magick aspect, I discussed the circle itself in terms of being in that "gray" area. To go into the magick aspect would be to write four or five introductory lectures.
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Mar 3, 2007 15:22:24 GMT -5
Post by The Devil's Advocate on Mar 3, 2007 15:22:24 GMT -5
The main issue I could percieve with them, was the reliance on the field structure. It was simply never solid enough, nor forcefull enough to actually block anything with significant impact from getting through.
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Mar 3, 2007 16:09:46 GMT -5
Post by TC on Mar 3, 2007 16:09:46 GMT -5
Ah no, that is quite a good list indeed. I perhaps was speaking in terms of a magical circle, though I think it best blend definitions four, five, and six, because by natural virtue of the circle, upon creation, it protects, summons, banishes, and does much, much more, while keeping in concordance with the will of the practitioner. For example, if I were to make a circle I might be surrounded by it, warded off for protection. The circle would naturally "banish" all unwanted energies from the inside, in order to protect the practitioner from them; this works in concordance with the last virtue, as once the energies have been "banished" they must be replaced: Lastly, the circle would naturally "summon" the energies of protection and, again, by virtue of the circle, create an invigorating, vibrant field within the circle conducive to practice, meditation, and life. While most who consider magic to be "wrong" - not to get into a religious debate - magic circles can be both "right" and "wrong". For many of those who shun magic, to create a circle with the intent of summoning some spirit would be to do something that is wrong. Circles can have very "wrong" applications in the eyes of these people. First of all, you were discussing magick. End of story. Secondly, you were describing to us what you believe to be "wrong" and "right", both of which are your opinions. You cannot tell us what is right and wrong, especially when discussing beliefs because they are opinions and personal ideas. People who have been here long enough know that I'm pretty serious about religion/beliefs being talked about here. Not because I have the power to tell you "no", but because it's a rule that we take very seriously here. It's been established that the aspects you discussed on magick were either on the border or over the line in terms of being able to talk about it and not being able to talk about it.
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Mar 3, 2007 19:08:45 GMT -5
Post by Requisite on Mar 3, 2007 19:08:45 GMT -5
DA: Have you scanned both magic circles formed by proficient magicians and psionic circles formed by proficient psions? Have you found them to be virtually the same?
Also, because there is not specific "line" of protection, perhaps they seem easier to get through, though in reality is not. I've also heard of circles creating the affect in which a person feels almost certain that they have easily bypassed the protective measures, but in reality have not been able to even come close to the person due to the circles resistive quality.
Have you had any experience with either of these things? What is your take on this? Thanks for the input.
TC: I don't really appreciate the attitude of your post, TC. Kindness always works better than anger. A mod has never said anything to me about the content of my posts crossing religious lines, and I never mentioned religion. The words right and wrong were put into quotations to show that it was simply a feeling of what is "right" and what is "wrong", not the actual words of, "I know it to be fact that this is right and that is wrong, so shun all whom do evil and SIN!!!" Obviously they are my opinions. Is there a rule that Magic cannot be mentioned? I did not see this rule, but perhaps I missed it.
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Mar 3, 2007 19:31:41 GMT -5
Post by Lady Hawke on Mar 3, 2007 19:31:41 GMT -5
It is the decision of the administration to allow the discussion of magick and related elements only in the Debate and Discussion board. This thread has, therefore, been moved. Anyone wishing to discuss such topics is advised to keep discussions civil and out of the realms of religion. They will be monitored, and zealotry is to be avoided.
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Mar 3, 2007 20:37:55 GMT -5
Post by Requisite on Mar 3, 2007 20:37:55 GMT -5
Many thanks, Lady Hawke.
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Mar 4, 2007 23:53:13 GMT -5
Post by TC on Mar 4, 2007 23:53:13 GMT -5
Lady Hawke: I respect and agree with the decision made by the moderators. However, if this is the case, I refuse to debate this topic any further.
Requisite, I have taken more attitude here than a lot of people, so if you think that was attitude, I'd hate to see what you think when people really give you attitude. I believe if you read the post, I was stating my opinions as well, which is allowed on these forums. As for the "right" and "wrong" things, well I would suggest you reread what your statement was, because it wasn't clear to me. The statement sounded absolute and I was merely telling you that I did not agree.
If you want sincere kindness, then debate and discussion is not the place you're going to find it. I think many here will agree that debate and discussion is where all of the heated discussions go, and therefore people aren't going to be as kind as you would like them to. I learned the hard way that trying to make everyone speak kindly here doesn't work very well. There will be instances when people strongly disagree with you, but that shouldn't mean you just smite them and then tell them how much you hated the lack of kindness in their post. I'm not being mean, I'm stating my opinion. And if I sorely hurt your feelings with that post, then I apologize because it wasn't intentional.
However, I refuse to debate with you the topic of magick. You consider it more of a light conversation. I do not. I hope you respect my opinion, instead of sending me what you sent me in PM.
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