Temperature change or mental interpretation?

[TC]

I was having a discussion with someone here from psionline about making constructs hot or cold. I told this person that when you program a construct to "be" a certain temperature, you are really just programming the construct with information to tell the mind "this is a warm/cold psi construct" instead of actually altering the physical temperature. In short, I said that when you program a certain temperature range into a construct, it's just your mind's interpretation of the psi and what information it has programmed into it.

Now, this person claims that you are really altering the temperature of the atmosphere that the energy is taking up. That is, if you create a warm psi ball between your hands, your hands will actually physically heat up.

Now I do remember our discussion about two-three years ago when we were talking about how FrozenFlames went on a ski trip or something and used his psi to warm his feet. But the possibility still remains. It could have been his mind thinking that his feet were warming up. It could also have been physically warming his feet up. Right now, I'm not sure. I just want your opinions and a sufficient reason to back it up.

Right about now, I'm considering the possibility that perhaps we're both right...

[innerfire]

Both is actually probably the most logical answer, since you can accomplish the same effect both ways. There are ways with biofeedback to make yourself think you're warmer, and there is ways to change temperature via pk. So it can just as easily be either one.

[TC]

Perhaps. Has anyone ever done experiments on thermometers? It'd be interesting to see what results people came up with. I'm thinking you're probably right Innerfire, but I want to be sure. I think I'll test it out.

[nathan12345]

Hey i know that i am knew to psionics and these sorts of things and that my opinion dosnt count for much but ow well. i have made hot constructs and showed them to at least 5 people that don't know about psionics or are practicing psions and when i left the psi ball in their hand they said they could fell the heat, and i didnt tell them what to fell i just said feel this

[NightHawk]

..... then you're not new to psionics, right?
I think that it all depends on mental interpretation.
I've actually tried using a thermometer, but it didn't work with me. Which means that either it is only mental interprtation or maybe I'm just still weak in producing the appropriate energy to change temperature, and need more time.

NH4+

[The Devil's Advocate]

The one circumstance I can think off off the top of my head only produced moderate changes, and no thermometer was used. The construct was placed between a person's lap and their laptop. The evidences of preasure were still there, but the physical evidences of heat were diminished from 'normal' as noted with that computer. Qualitatively there seemed to be a physical impact though I have no quantitative data on the subject.

~The Devil's Advocate

[nathan12345]

i have actully heard of alot of people feeling other peoples hot psi constructs and feeling the heat. Peebrain seems to say that alot in his articlesalthough it could be biofeedback but for some reason i just don't get how it could be mental interpretation if other people could feel it.

[TC]

For Nathan: This doesn't substantiate or support evidence that psi really generates heat or alters temperature. Even if it does, someone feeling someone else's construct doesn't really mean that temperature is being changed. People who do not practice or perform psionics still can and do have a mind which can interpret psi in its own way. The only difference between a psion and a non-psion is that one practices psi and one doesn't. The difference is not that one can interpret psi and one cannot.

So even with your given circumstances, it could go either way. They could really be feeling an alteration in the temperature, or they could be interpreting someone's psi without knowing what they are interpreting.

[nathan12345]

yes i agree with that now that u made it clear but i was still thinking if it just was mental interpretation does that mean that the psi ball could not heat other things?

[TC]

Perhaps. That's what I was trying to figure out with this thread.

[Requisite]

Memory of FrozenFlames from so long ago...you have an interesting memory indeed

I would say that the actual temperature is changed in some situations, and in others it is merely perception reflected physically. With a wave of the hand it is possible to bring instant warmth to a room, and have a thermometer reflect this, while it is also possible to wave the hand with the intent of simply tricking your mind into giving a sensation of warmth to the body.


Namaste

[wolfdancer]

*nods* It was a long time ago as were my first experiments with psi-temperature cloaks (at least that is what I termed the constructs). I used them to shield against cool air from an air-conditioner vent, protect my lap from my laptop's heat, keep a moderate temperature when outside that summer in El Paso and fall a bit further north. Cullen verified some of this for me at the time.
Today I used the same concept to warm the area above my keyboard to stop my hands from freezing.
I do not have a lot of substantial evidence for how this works or why. I just know what he and I percieved happened. The change was usually required to be less than 5 deg to make a noticeable difference.
DA if you have any idea of how to make this more documentable or ways to better analyze these constructs, please let me know. I'm not quite as good with general analysis processes as ayou are. Thanks in advance.

The local Wolf

[The Devil's Advocate]

If you can find a temperature strip like the ones they put on reptile cages, especially if you can find one that has exact degree measurements you could easily put it somewhere you typically do these sorts of manipulations.

~The Devil's Advocate

[wolfdancer]

How long does it take for something like that to register a change in temperature?

[The Devil's Advocate]

If it's dramatic the results are obvious, perceptually, instantly. Slower results take longer to show up. I've never run a controled test of one of the more sensitive strips. The one I have for my snakes' cages only measure in about 3 degree intervals, but do seem to register the fluctiations in temperature due to intersting air ciruclation in my room.

~The Devil's Advocate