The Devil's Advocate
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Post by The Devil's Advocate on Sept 30, 2006 23:28:50 GMT -5
Nature tends to want to maintain an equilibrium. Vacuum is usually counter to equilibrium. Which doesn’t explain why there’s so much of it in space, but that’s an entirely different argument. In most cases without powerful forces, like gravity, in effect to create physics problems to give phycisists nightmares for centuries, things will proceed to a state of equilibrium. And even gravity seeks an equilibrium, it just tends to have rather dramatic results: Like planets, Stars, Black holes... you get the general idea.
The null-psionic area would function rather like a low pressure system in weather, all the psi would attempt to rush in and fill the void. A shield designed to maintain that void area, would have to both block all the in-rushing psi, and resist the natural tendency to seek equilibrium itself. In other words you, the psion, would have to create an artificial equilibrium by adding energy to make the shield resist the ‘pull’ and collapse into the void area. Even if the pressure inward were equally exerted (which it likely would be due to the nature of the void.) what would prevent the shield from simply shrinking and growing more dense? Or dispersing slowly inwards? A good interior shelling might prevent the latter, but how would you deal with the former?
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R.
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Post by R. on Oct 2, 2006 17:29:46 GMT -5
I know the topic is more about psy vacuum, but what if you made a construct to draw in psy and condense it into single point? Would it eventually collapse on itself to form "psy black hole" ?
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innerfire
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Post by innerfire on Oct 2, 2006 17:44:17 GMT -5
Unlikely, remember the effect is only comparable to high gravity, it is still an effect of the construct and is thus not governed by the same mechanics, and is also governed by conservation of energy which prevents the attractive force from exceeding the amoung of energy contained by the construct:
that is it should eventually either degrade because it tried to sustain a higher level of attraction then it could support, or at the very least it would reach an equilibrium state, where the amount of energy needed to exert the force to attract new objects in was equal to the amount of energy it was recieving and implementing. There is also the factor of the energy disapating, as even if it was set to be collapsed inwards, some trace amounts still would break off from the construct, most likely these would be quickly reintegrated but the programming of the construct could degrade in this way and cause the construct to eventually break apart?
Hmm, this block of text is slightly less coherent than usual, is this understandable?
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The Devil's Advocate
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Respected Member I will deflate your theories and claims with ye olde pointy stick of logic.
Est autem fides credere quod nondum vides; cuius fidei merces est videre quod credis.
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Post by The Devil's Advocate on Oct 2, 2006 18:42:03 GMT -5
Good points Inner Fire, and yes you were understandable, at least to me. Again, Rodziel, unlikely there are phenomena out there that do 'atract' psi, but none have the impact of a black hole's gravitational pull. It is unlikely something that severe could be either artificially manufactured, or exist naturally in a manner in which we could measure. If we can't lift a car with Telekinesis. We probably can't create the psionic eqivilent of a black hole.
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R.
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Post by R. on Oct 3, 2006 2:48:24 GMT -5
He mentioned that psi quickly fills vacuum, so does that mean there is no psi in space or?
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lunin
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Post by lunin on Oct 3, 2006 3:24:54 GMT -5
No, it doesn't quite work that way. With any vacuum, it only exists until there is an equal amount of whatever the stuff is inside and outside the area. Heck, the vacuum of space has stuff in it, really spread out stuff but stuff none the less.
Things usually gravitate toward equilibrium. A vacuum is just where that equilibrium is messed up due to a lesser density of things in a pocket of area so other things around it rush in to make it the same on the inside of the area as outside.
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Post by wolfdancer on Oct 3, 2006 14:26:48 GMT -5
EXACTLY! Thanks everyone for explaining it in more depth. *applauds* Yea! People understood me and made my statements clearer. This being the case, how would it affect the ability to maintain such a void for a long time? My hypothesis is that the difficulty for maintenance would increase in comparison to the difficulty of creating the void in the first place.
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Post by lunin on Oct 3, 2006 17:11:42 GMT -5
I think it would relate to the amount of psi you were able to remove from the area and how large the area was. It probably wouldn't be to hard to sweep out a good portion in a not to large area then throw a 1 way shield around it.
It would also probably have something to do with how you structured the shield/shell. I have already stated how I think it would work with the sphere, but that theory would have to be tested. I think as long as the pressure from the psi trying to get in was the same on all sides, it would hold itself together (much like that experiment where you try to break an egg in the middle of your hand so you cant apply the different pressure of the tips of your fingers)
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Post by wolfdancer on Oct 3, 2006 19:24:59 GMT -5
Ah, that is a new way to think about it. *goes to ponder and think up more questions*
That is something to test. Because my original theory was that the shield would have to be exceptionally strong, but this may alter that. *thinks*
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The Devil's Advocate
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Respected Member I will deflate your theories and claims with ye olde pointy stick of logic.
Est autem fides credere quod nondum vides; cuius fidei merces est videre quod credis.
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Post by The Devil's Advocate on Oct 3, 2006 22:37:23 GMT -5
The question then becomes, will you be able to construct a shield that will be absolutely and completely impermeable? Also the problem with the equal preasure approach is you have to have a way to ensure there is ALWAYS equal preasure on all areas. One good anoyed empath would shatter that particular shield like glass. Good physics, not sure how practical it is in psionics.
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Post by lunin on Oct 4, 2006 3:12:55 GMT -5
I know it would be more complicated, but maybe a second shield around the first that would be loose enough to only stop more powerful or solid irregularities. At least that would lessen the chance of accidental breakage while in transit, and while it may be fragile, it would hold to its purpose. (I keep getting mental images now of a shield going *pop* like a bubble)
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Post by ryakoth on Oct 24, 2006 19:53:40 GMT -5
I've played around with it more and i can shell it while i focus on it but when i let it float it only lasts a few seconds until it collapses, which usually created very odd currents of psi in the area around it, I'm still trying to think of a way to contain it more permanently, (I've been gone from psionline for a while).
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Post by Lady Hawke on Oct 25, 2006 9:49:22 GMT -5
Ryakoth, discussion of methods of attack is not permitted on this forum. Refrain from such discussions or posts and sections of posts will be removed. You have been made aware of this rule before.
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