Help with Energy Manipulation

[symphonyx]

Hello again to everyone in this forum.

I've read the articles of Stony1205 for those beginning with their psychic training. Since last week I've started on energy manipulation and I tried to create a psiballs during the first three days without any results. So I decided to stop trying and I read the articles again to see if I missed anything. So I just resumed the energy manipulation practice. I became frustrated only today because nothing's happening. I hate to say this, not just to those reading this but to myself, that I think I'm wasting my time. I've read the articles again and again and I followed the instructions and started trying my own style when I was becoming weary. I really do not know what I'm missing.

I've heard many vague descriptions of what energy feels like but none of them are present. I feel... normal, as if I just sat there meditating and realizing I just wasted precious time.

The concrete and physical feelings, as I've heard, come when practicing on psiballs. The thing is I can't move on to psiballs without getting being familiar with energy manipulation which seems to do nothing for me.

I'm giving myself another week or two since it's vacation for me till June. I have a lot of time to kill anyway so I better waste it on something fruitful. I just hope that you people can help me out before I hit myself and tell the mirror, "Idiot. You just wasted hours and hours of your precious vacation".

Okay, to cut it short if you don't want to read everything I typed. I need help and suggestions with energy manipulation. I'm having trouble verifying if I'm doing the right thing or not. I can't feel anything when practicing energy manipulation.

Thanks!

[EMKid90]

Well symphonyx I'm having trouble with Psi-Balls myself so I probably can't help too much but I am able to manipulate energy to a certain newbie extent . When you try to manipulate energy what exactly do YOU do?

[symphonyx]

I was expecting some of the members who are more experienced to answer. But anyway, just to add up.

I don't know if the position matters but I try to relax myself and meditate in my room. Sometimes with music or without music, whatever suits my mood to keep my head clear and focused. I usually sit do an Indian sit on my bed or just lie down, my back flat on the bed and my head on a pillow. I try to keep myself as relaxed, calm, and with minimal body activity. I focus on myself. I imagine myself circulating energy, usually in a blue color as a imagine psi when practicing, and forming pools of them in different areas of my body. I also try to move them around my body.

Now here's the thing, I can't feel anything. There isn't even a gut feeling to it. Just nothing. During my first few days and early today, I tried making psiballs with the thought that, "It seems like that energy manipulation practice was enough. I'll try psiballs now". Then nothing.

I usually meditate and practice manipulating energy anywhere from 10 minutes to 30 minutes. I did around 20 minutes today and tried making psiballs again but with no results.

[The Devil's Advocate]

Have you read Cullen's energy manipulatoin article as well as Stony's? Body position doesn't matter as long as you can concentrate in that position. If you can fold yourself into a pretzle and still concentrate you should be able to work psionics from that position. Now, what I'm going to suggest is not technically energy manipulation, but it should help you percieve Psi a little better. Close your eyes and listen very, very hard. Try and pick up every single sound you can. Take note of that 'listening' state, and stop trying to find sound, using the same attentiveness 'look' for psi. The input you get is not 'fixed' in how you will percieve it. It may just be a 'there's something over there' kind of thing or it may equate to visual cues or any other sense that your mind can handle. Then add this to the energy manipulation and see if you can notice 'changes' on that level as you work.

~The Devil's Advocate

[EMKid90]

One thing I can suggest that might not make much of a difference, but maybe it will be easier for visualization methods. Anyway it helped/s me to start out by visualizing energy flowing through me coming from the earth instead of just myself. Might not make much of a difference but it helps me like I said so you never know. I find it rather hard to start out just manipulating energy from my own body unless I'm focused.

Relaxing and keeping calm as you are definitely works for me too. The meditating...well I guess it can but personally I just never need to as I just find a quiet room and clear my mind and usually instantly go into I guess you could say a meditative state as I am relaxed and free of stress...

Anyway another thing that helps (now I really am going to sound like I'm just quoting the articles I'm sure but this is just how it works for me ;D) is to use more senses than just sight in your visualization.

hope it helps even minimally!

[symphonyx]

Thanks for the help DA. That's what I was looking for, "how my senses perceive psi". I'm having terrible problems with this. I'm doing exactly what you were telling me to do. To check for any sign or change in things while meditating and practicing energy manipulation. But even the slightest of changes I couldn't feel.

Yes, I've all the articles in the beginner's section except for the shielding guide.

I'll be continuing my routine on meditation and energy manipulation practice. I'll be reporting on any changes or improvements if there are any.

Just curious, is there by any chance that a person can be insusceptible to psi? I mean, just can't feel psi or do anything with it. Have there been any cases like this?

@ PsiNewbie90

Thanks anyway for trying to help me out, but trust me. I'm very good at visualizing things and I use it all the time when I draw. I'm positive that visualization is not the problem. I've tried visualizing everything that may have similarities to energy flow. Anyway, no offense but your advice is common place. I've seen that dozens of times on other psi-oriented forums.

[TC]

You also might want to note that psionics is, above most things, not a black and white practice. There is no set instructions or rulesbook that will lead you directly to success. Everyone's different, and everyone will take different amounts of time as well as use different methods. It's a matter of finding that "equilibrium" with you and your methods, per se. Don't get me wrong though. There are certain things that people can tell you to do that will work. I'm just saying that usually, it's a matter of finding what works for you instead of reading and rereading articles over and over and depending solely on the articles to tell you how. Experimentation is definitely key. Reading articles is great. But none of them are meant as perfect guidelines to success.

As for methods that work for me, well I work a lot with my senses, as you've heard previously with others. Like some might have mentioned above, you need to develop a sense of what you interpret psi to be. Think about how it might look, feel, smell, taste, or sound like before you even begin to manipulate it. Try to develop the sense that the psi really is physically there and you can actually see and feel it. Perhaps it may feel like water flowing through the air. Maybe you might want it to feel more like electricity or perhaps more like warm air. Whatever you do, visualization, concentration, and will power can help. But don't get too hung up on those. If you become too dependent on one thing, your methods might become too tedious and might make it so that you have to go step by step. And that's just a pain sometimes.

[nathan12345]

www.psipog.net/art-psiballs-tactile-method.html

This is the method I use but combined with visulisation, lots of visulation and this method. For me it dosn't matter what postion I sit in. Meditation never works for me so i gave it up but thats just me do whatever you need to concentrate, but what i most recommened is doing psi after having a shower i find thats when im most relaxed.

[The Devil's Advocate]

Advice will be common place because these are the trends of what /works/.

Yes, it is theoretically possible for someone to be psionically numb. I fyou like PM me and we can arange a few experiements. From preliminary information I have, I'd say you are probably not. We'll see about setting up a few experiments that might help you get a better idea for what you are and are not picking up. Please make it before 4May of this year as the army has things for me to do most of may and I don't know if I'll have internet at all.

On the sensing of Psi... try it somewhere other than your bedroom. Try it in various places where you have a little time to pay attention in that depth. It actually doesn't take that long if you want to practice and not 'waste time'. You can catch a minute here a minute there while you're waiting about for something else. It's not like you're going to be attracting strange attention. Something you might consider. Skip the meditation. Do whatever it takes to put you in as alert (rather than relaxed) a state as possible... Play around. Do the 'same thing' under different circumstances. Don't give yourself a chance to 'expect' a set result (either positive or negative).

~The Devil's Advocate

[symphonyx]

Thanks again for the help everyone.

@ TC

Seems like I haven't mentioned that yet. I actually tried to perceive plenty of things that may resemble psi. I've also tried to make variations during the practice sessions when the one's in the article didn't work. Nothing worked. So eventually, I went back to what the articles suggested. It seels as if it's going to take a while before I can find the "sweet spot". *sigh*

@ DA

Hmm... testing eh? I'm just curious, but... how will you conduct it?

I haven't tried anywhere else besides my room due to reasons of privacy. Doing something as unusual as this can raise issues, especially with my parents and people who know me who are all snoops. I haven't thought of that yet but I'll give it a try; trying to manipulate energy in places other than my room. I'm just concerned on how conspicuous I will be when attempting to do it outside my privacy zone/comfort zone. Also, I haven't tried being in an alert stance when doing this. I've always heard that being calm and collected is the way to go. I'll give it a shot.

Anyway, I tried to do some energy manipulation again last night before I went to sleep. I was laying down the bed and everything was quiet and I was doing the usual visualization + waiting for any feeling. The only things I felt were my muscles relaxing and blood flow in areas where I try to pool psi.

[neveza]

I always said simple is better. I found many of the explainations of psipog and psionline too comoplex for my taste. I usually just cut everything out of the visualisation and just have it form in my hand. Eventually, you learn to manipulate things better than you can move on to sensitivity.

[The Devil's Advocate]

Neveza: If you think Psionline's articles are too complicated you may be in trouble later in life. They're detailed, not complicated. Especially Cullen's. It doesn't get much more basice than that.

Symphonyx: Might I ask this: If blood is pooling into the areas you are trying to pool psi is it doing so against natural circulation? Or are you rationalizing away the very sensation you're looking for? It is something to consider. I don't have enough detail to say more.

As for worrying that trying to scan or make a psiball would be 'obvious', let me explain how this looks to most people: A random person walking down the side walk pauses for a minute or so to look at something that caught his attention on a tree they may or may not see something that 'justifies' the view. The guy sitting next to you in class notices you're not moving and appear to be lost in thought. Your parents see you sitting with your hands partially folded in your lap. What you are doing: Scanning the area around the tree to see what Ambient psi is doing or if there's anything you can detect. Scanning the classroom to see if people show up more easily than simply empty rooms. Making a psiball between your loosely interlocked hands.

These things can look quite ordinary and unless you start doing things that are blatantly obvious (Like announcing you're trying to make a psiball) they're likely to attribute any physical action you take to something else. Remember THEY likely can't just randomly see Psi either. And the people who COULD would very likely be other practicing Psions.

~The Devil's Advocate

[symphonyx]

I'm quite sure that feeling of having blood flow is bio feedback. I can easily recreate the same exact feeling by just wanting it to feel like that in some areas of my body. I can do it even without a single intention or attempting to circulate energy or anything to do with psi. Whether it be my hands feeling like it's thomping/pulsating my abdomen feeling "full" as if something is pressing a bit on it because of blood flow. So I concluded it wasn't the feeling I was looking.

Well... you've got a point with practicing psionics elsewhere, but it may not be the same for me because I just can't take away that feeling of insecurity and being scrutinized if I'll be doing it in public places. It's not really in my character to be doing things like that, such as staying still and feeling focused on something else. I'll probably have a hard time adapting to something like this.

Report on most recent practice: same results as what I posted previously.

If you see any grammatical mistakes or spelling errors, please don't mind it. I'm not much of a proofreader and I don't normally post like this. I only force myself to try to post with "fancy" diction, grammar and with correct spelling because it seems like this forum is quite serious about psionics with many scholarly people around and everyone elses seems to post in a very articulate manner, not in "chatspeak" as I usually see and do myself.

[The Devil's Advocate]

We appreciate the effort in the areas of spelling and grammar. Using chat speak here is a quick way to loose your audience.

You will likely have to overcome your nervousness about doing psionics in public. Once you get your awareness to that level

On the Biofeedback. I recomend re-examining what you're labling Biofeedback. I am VERY tactile and can do many things with biofeedback especially with remembered sensation. The differences in sensation between energy manipulation and biofeedback, for me, were very, very subtle. Check for subtle differences. Take a note book. Write down what you feel in as much detail as you can. Compare the notes after a few days and see if you can find differences. Push comes to shove, you're going to come out of this knowing a great deal more about how you think and how you work than when you went into it.

~The Devil's Advocate

[neveza]

devilsadvocate said:

Neveza: If you think Psionline's articles are too complicated you may be in trouble later in life. They're detailed, not complicated. Especially Cullen's. It doesn't get much more basice than that.
~The Devil's Advocate

I never said they were complicated. I just said complex as in takes too fucking long to keep a result. I rather have a short and simple instruction that I can do within seconds.

I will never be in trouble later in life from that thought process. I'll just make my own shortcuts.